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Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
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Hughes Mary Ann Abergavenny 11a 91
Morgan Shadrach Abergavenny 11a 91

hi, i now have the birth cert for naomi, she was born on the ninth july 1858, she was born in blaenavon llanover upper, her father was shadrach morgan, her mother was mary ann morgan formerly hughesbher father was a labourer in an iron work, hope you can now find out who she married for me many thanks

The important thing about Emma's certificate is her parents' names. If you are right it should say Cordy formerly Harris previously Morgan (formerly = maiden name, previously =previous married name)

I wish I could find some baptisms or marriages for you on the monfamilies site but have drawn a blank in all the villages i can think of around Llanwenarth

ann, i found out quite a few years ago that mary ann was def born harris, and apparently she did marry a morgan, so the children must be hers, the birth cert i sent for was the 1858 abergavenny, oh gosh ann im confused, maybe i should send for emmas birth cert, but i know who emmas children were, and i know who emma married, my nan was emmas daughter,

the Mary Ann in Ladykira's 1851 census

baptism 14 April 1841 d of Rachel Morgan singlewoman at Llanwenarth

Maybe Mary Ann just lived with unknown Morgan after 1851 and to about 1865/6 when she married Mr Cordy?

which Naomi did you send for?

Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
Morgan Naomi Crickhowell 11b 122 Scan available - click to view
Morgan Naomi Abergavenny 11a 61 Scan available - click to view

Llanwenarth is Abergavenny - Mary Ann & Thomas' marriage was Crickhowell

I think we advised yesterday that the best certificate to apply for would be your (gt?) grandmother Emma Cordy which would prove her mother's previous names

we had several conversations yesterday about mary ann's maiden name. As other people have pointed out today if she was born Harris and married Thomas Cordy as a Harris then the Morgan children ARE NOT hers.

You have not told us why you are convinced that Mary Ann was born Mary Ann Harris other than hearsay.

If I remember rightly Mary Ann was born in Llanfoist. If she was still living in llanfoist in 1861 there is a possibilty you will not find her on the census as half of Llanfoist census (the half that includes a lot of my family!) is completely missing.

I could not find a baptism for Naomi in llanwenarth on the monfamilies site, or in Blaenavon or llanover. Llanfoist baptisms are only on line up to 1812.

thank you so much

Births of the two elder girls( Naomi's sisters):-

Births Mar 1856
MORGAN Sarah Jane Abergavenny 11a 52

Births Mar 1856
MORGAN Margaret Abergavenny 11a 52

hi ann okay and thanks im going to order her cert will let you know when i get it x

Morning Glynis,

If you are sure of the birth for Naomi I would go for that as it will confirm her mothers maiden name and name her father also.

i checked last night re the 1861, and there are issues with returns for Monmouthshire..........meaning there are pieces missing........perhaps this explains why we are unable to find the family. Let us know the results of the cert when you get it.

Ann

thank you so much for all the help you have given me, and im sorry to those who got mad because i deleted the thread, i was not sure what to do, anyway, please could some one advise me which is the best cert to get for naomi, should i request her birth cert or can i get her marriage cert even if i dont know who she married please help

might this be Mary Ann Harris in 1851?

1851 Wales Census
about Mary Ann Harris
Name: Mary Ann Harris
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
>>>>>>>>Where born: Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llanover
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Abergavenny
Sub-registration district: Blaenavon
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
John Griffith Williams 41
Mary Williams 38
Hannah Maria Williams 16
Richard Williams 13
Mary Ann Williams 11
Catherin Williams 8
John G Williams 6
William G Williams 4
Ellard Madlyn Williams 1
Catherine Williams 20
Mary Williams 14
Ann Elizabeth Budding 18
Eliza Williams 27
>>>>>>>Mary Ann Harris 17



Marriages Sep 1866
CORDY Thomas Crickhowell 11b 182
HARRIS Mary A Crickhowell 11b 182

Hi Glynnis,

I didn't realise you had deleted the thread with all the information about possibles births, marriages and emigration of Naomi to America rather than Australia that I had found. It would have been far better for you to have kept it and left it going.

Did you keep any record fo what I found? That would have saved people putting the census information etc that I had found for you.

As per your pm I will try to recreate the information that I had found with her husband's anme however I said that this was only based upon one of the three births that I had found.

Until you request the certificate that shows her parents, you may be following a completely incorrect person.

With regards to the Cordy/Morgan relationship, the census that I found shows that Naomi and three siblings were step children of Thomas. It then goes on to show in that census and the later ones that Thomas and Mary had at least 4 more children together. So you could reasonably assume that Naomi's mother had married previously and perhaps had been widowed or had seperated from her husband by the 1871 census.

Anyway I'll see what I can recreate for you but pelase can you keep this thread going rather than delete, if you are not going to get the birth certificates first?

Thanks

Naomi morgan could not have been sent to australia as a convict - if that is what is implied-

The last convict ship to Australia docked in Fremantle WA in January 1868.

Naomi would have been about 10 years old at that time and all the convicts on that ship were adults.

Annette

just come online from aust, and looking for a REPLY to all the research I did yesterday. Gone with the wind.
but hello there is still one thread on records board 1251364 about this same request.

Yesterday I gave these marriages.
source Free bmd uk Wales
Marriages Dec quarter 1879
Morgan Naomi Abergavenny 11a 71
Powell Thomas 11a 71
or
Williams William 11a 71

I have not tried to find any passengers to Aust yet as The marriage name is not confirmed.
I said 'one thing at a time . or we are likely to go down the wrong path.'

Annette

Tis the season of goodwill Janey! lol

Ann

I'm not mad! Because having seen that there was a previous thread and it's been deleted, I won't be going near this one. ;)

And I am sure I'm not the only one.