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The owner of the Smith/Parret tree seems to be the great grandaughter of Frederick Coombs/John Ufton.

It might be worth Brian getting a free trial at Ancestry so he can make contact and see the tree.

Brian - if you do that YOU MdUST MAKE SURE you cancel the free trial in time , otherwise you will get charge for a full sub.

UFTON, JOHN WILLIAM mmn PLATTS
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 462



Mary Alice Upton Or Ufton
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1991
Name: Mary Alice Upton Or Ufton
Age: 35
Birth Year: 1845
Burial Date: 23 Nov 1880
Burial Place: Chellaston, Derbyshire, England

Name: John William Ufton
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1875
Baptism Place: Chellaston, Derbyshire, England
Father: Stanfield Ufton
Mother: Mary Alice Ufton

1881
Name: John W. Upton
[John W. Ufton]
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relationship to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where Born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Derby St Werburgh
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Calvert St
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3395
Folio: 51
Page Number: 9
Charles Clarke 29
Annie Clarke 23
Millie Clarke 4
Thomas Clarke 2
Stanfield Upton 37
John W. Upton 5


1891
Name: John William Afton
[John William Ufton]
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1876
Birth Place: Cheriton, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Heanor
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
Residence Place: Heanor, Heanor, Derbyshire, England
Registration district: Basford
Sub registration district: Ilkeston
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Piece: 2664
Folio: 59
Household Members Age Relationship
Peter Lloyd 36 Head....Travelling with shows
Annie Lloyd 16 Wife
John William Afton 15 Lodger..........general helper


Name: Stanfield Ufton
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Date: 1844
Marriage Date: 1868
Marriage Place: Chellaston, Derby, England
Father: John Ufton
Spouse: Mary Alice Platts
FHL Film Number: 1042083
Reference ID: 2:3QDR4Q8

The Smith/parrot tree states he was born John William Ufton. He was dismissed from the army and changed his name before enlisting in a different regiment.

COOMBS, FREDERICK JOSEPH (MMN) MONK
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 2260

1939

8 Greenlaw Street, Woolwich, Greenwich, Woolwich, London, England
Frederick Coombs 27 Jun 1875 Male Contractor's Labourer Widowed 147 1
Frederick J Coombs 18 Dec 1914 Male Transformer Coil Winder Single 147 2
Thomas F Chucker 12 May ? Male Examiner Royal Naval Ordinance Married 147 3


Note the DoB - possibly the source of the info on the Ancestry tree

The birth Mike* posted - with additional detail from the GRO site - showing that the child was illegitimate

TAYLOR, FREDERICK AUGUSTUS -
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 308

Perhaps the mother eventually married a man named Coombs

Several trees on ancestry suggest that he is the son of Stanfield Ufton but one has a copy of the marriage certificate which shows the father was Frederick Coombs.

Edit Frederick was a Fitter.

A tree on Ancestry (not always reliable) has the following info regarding his birth

27 Jun 1875
Burton on Trent, Stafford, Staffordshire, England

NO proof offered

Birth of a son

COOMBS, FREDERICK AUGUSTUS MONK
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 190

His death
COOMBS, FREDERICK AUGUSTUS 0
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 705

Get a copy of the marriage cert to find if he knew his father - and hope that he told the truth
Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
Coombs Frederick Augustus Woolwich 1d 2380
Monk Mary Woolwich 1d 2380

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Many thanks to all the help and info you have all been able to give me and I am sure I will now be able to solve the mystery of Frederick Coombs.
I will now get down to reading all the info and promise to relate back the outcome.
I have been unable to obtain any official docs apart from my mothers marriage certificate and Fredericks death certificate which do not give me names of his parents. :-D

Brian & all helpers..

Allow some flexability in the surname

I have been searching for my "Coombe" relatives for a number of years and have found the surname spelt several different ways.... Coombe, Coombs, Combes... etc....

Received (some time ago, sorry, do not always read personal pm's for some time):
I do have my grandfathers marriage cert and it gives his fathers name as Frederick. However other info I received lead me to believe it could well have been Barnard or Bernard.

Asenath is mentioned in Genesis, as a female.
Probably best to wait for Brian to reply/get the marriage certificate.

Added:
Asenath Coombs is a female servant in 1891 census.

The Aseurth Coombs on the 1881 census is listed as Asanath Coombs in the Births Index

Name: Asanath Coombs
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Radford
County: Nottinghamshire

This seems a rather strange forename - is it in fact Augustus?

No births for F.A. Coombs
Suspect his mother married after he was born.


Only 2 records for Frederick Augustus in Nottinghamshire at that time.

Births Mar 1874
Lovett Frederick Augustus - Loughbro' 7a 131

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Births Jun 1875
Taylor Frederick Augustus - Nottingham 7b 308


Can't see a Coombs/Lovett marriage but there are Coombs/Taylor marriages.
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IF and I stress IF, the theory is correct, there is this entry in 1881 .............and I can find no birth registered in the name of Frederick Gustavias so maybe it should be Augustus.

Household:

Thomas TAYLOR Head M Male 53 Bedford, Bedford, England Carpenter
Mary Ann TAYLOR Wife M Female 55 Girtford, Bedford, England
Sarah Ellen TAYLOR Daur U Female 26 Bedford, Bedford, England Milliner
Harry TAYLOR Son U Male 21 Bedford, Bedford, England
Ellen TAYLOR Daur U Female 19 Bedford, Bedford, England Mantel Maker
Amy Eliza TAYLOR Daur U Female 17 Bedford, Bedford, England Mantel Maker
Emilie TAYLOR Daur U Female 16 Bedford, Bedford, England Scholar
Tom TAYLOR Son U Male 13 Bedford, Bedford, England Scholar
>>>>>>> Frederick Gustavis TAYLOR Grandson Male 5 Nottingham, England Scholar
Louisa Marian YOUNG Visitor U Female 21 Woburn, Bedford, England Milliner

Dwelling 19 St Peter's St
Census Place Bedford St Peter, Bedford, England

Would be interesting to see who is named as his father on his marr cert.

Hello Brian - this may be the family information for Frederick on the 1881 census - the original image is far from clear and has been mistranscribed.

The registration district and year of birth fit, althogh Frederick is recorded as a daughter, not a son.

Name: Barnard Coombs
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane Coombs
Gender: Male
Where born: Radford, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Radford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: 6 Hubert St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: White Smith

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Hyson Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Barnard Coombs 32
Jane Coombs 30
Annie Coombs 8
Aseurth Coombs 6
Barnard Coombs 2


Based on this, parent names are Barnard ( possibly Bernard ) and Jane.

I have found the youngest son on the 1891 census listed as Bernard. I will keep looking on there for more.

For Ref

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
BARBER Ernest Woolwich 1d 2380
Coombs Frederick Augustus Woolwich 1d 2380
MONK Mary Woolwich 1d 2380
Stevens Mary Elizabeth Woolwich 1d 2380

I am assuming you do not have the marriage certificate as you assumed the wrong year. Once you have the certificate you will have his Father's name, and then we have more chance of finding him in the censuses.

His name is mistranscribed Fredericka on the 1901 census on Ancestry. They're in Woolwich, Kent.