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Oh, I missed that, he was a carrier! Well that's the right people, pretty certainly. So where's Ann then ... must be Helen, and lying about her age. Or they moved someplace and had more kids and didn't bother baptising them ...

No, I don't imagine gold beaters were millionnaires, but it sounds like a skilled trade. Twenty (or more) years seems a long time to spend in the workhouse just because you're poor! And his trade was noted in both 51 and 61. Maybe just an alcoholic ... or, if blood tells, he just gambled away anything he earned ...

mgnv -- is that the dad's aunt whose death you found in the Drouin collection??

Mind like a steel trap, mine.

Janey,

A Goldbeater was a person who worked with a Goldsmith, the beater would form the gold into goldleaf.


T x

Hi Tracey

Would appreciate it if you could look for the baptism of

Janet MONCUR c.1773 hopefully in Strathmartine Dundee, Angus

also if you are able, could you check her marriage to David RAIT 12 Aug 1793 Dundee ...would welcome full details

many thanks
Gill

Yes, Tracey ... that's a gold beater. ;) And that's how a gold beater would meet a cutler's rellie, probably, if cutlers used gold leaf. Now why a goldbeater would be staying in an inn on census night ... maybe there was a travelling poker game.

I've been combing the 41 and 51 censuses for somebody living in Greyfriars and/or born in Kirkcaldy who might fit the bill for Ann (Helen ...), but to no avail. If I could stop mistyping Greyfriars it would likely help. I just keep thinking of this Supreme Court case ... one time, I could not figure out what a person there was talking about when they kept saying the case name ee-VAN-o-ay. Didn't matter, I just waited until I saw it. Ah, I said: *Ivanhoe* ... Ivanhoë in French. The person then told me about the case they'd discussed in the office for a long time -- the Grey-yeh-yes case ... until they found out how to pronounce Greyeyes in English.

Hi Tracey,
Hoping you can help my thread ref is 1249904
Many thanks
Linda

Tracey is having trouble posting at the moment.

Hi Lady Kira,
Thanks for that I am signing off in 10 min will check back in 2moro
Linda

Janey - no Nellie was a paternal aunt - the Drouin aunts were my dad's maternal aunts. There were two - Elizabeth MS Patterson came over with his real uncle and their 3 sons,and died. Joseph Massie remarried to aunt Rebecca MS Wyness and they eventually returned to Aberdeen. I found the death of 1 son in Montreal and another married in Gaspe and had 1 daur there and 1 in Montreal (that I know of) and I've seen a tree giving his wife Susanna MS Minchinton's death in Montreal 1974. No trace of the 3rd son (so far). Maybe I'll see something in 2014 when the 1921 gets released?

Janet,

Looks like Ellen and William are Irish.

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 5026 Folio: 28 Page: 52
Reg. District: South Shields Sub District: South Shields
Address: 25, Bede Buildings, Hedworth And Monkton And Jarrow County: Durham
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LOWDON, Wm John Head M 30 1851 Labourer Copperworks Killroy Londonderry
LOWDON, Ellen Jane Wife F 26 1855 Killroy Londonderry
LOWDON, Bridget Daughter F 8 1873 Scholar Glasgow Scotland
LOWDON, George Son M 7 1874 Scholar Glasgow Scotland
LOWDON, John Son M 3 1878 Hebburn Durham
LOWDON, James Son M 1 1880 Hebburn Durham

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1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 4168 Folio: 133 Page: 30
Reg. District: South Shields Sub District: South Shields
Address: 15, Bedes Buildings, Readhead Terrace, Hedworth Monkton And Yarrow, Hebburn Colliery, Jarrow County: Durham
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LOWDEN, William J Head Married M 38 1853 Labourer General Derry Ireland
LOWDEN, Ellen Jane Wife Married F 36 1855 Derry Ireland
LOWDEN, Bridget Daughter Single F 18 1873 General Servant Domestic Glasgow Scotland
LOWDEN, George Son Single M 17 1874 Steam Engine Maker Fitter Glasgow Scotland
LOWDEN, William Son Single M 14 1877 Grocers Assistant Hebburn County Durham
LOWDEN, James B Son M 11 1880 Scholar Hebburn County Durham
LOWDEN, Bernard Son M 9 1882 Scholar Hebburn County Durham
LOWDEN, Mary E Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Hebburn County Durham
LOWDEN, Olive F Son M 2 1889 Scholar Hebburn County Durham
LOWDEN, Henry Son M 0 (4M) 1891 Hebburn County Durham

Tracey x

Yeah.....i'm back!

No idea what happened but something or someone was stopping me from posting....

Hmmm....



T x

Weird

LK

Check how long ago my last post was... an hour!

Don't you think that's a bit strange?


T x

I am getting very frustrated with the site at present.
I did some research for a patient and gave it to him today. I had to tell him it was not a good time to start on here as it would totally confuse him.

Hi Janey,

I don't know if anyone has posted this for you:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/whodoyouthinkyouare/new-stories/patsy-kensit/how-we-did-it_4.shtml

It's a pity it didn't show the whole section on her ancestor & goldbeaters as it was quite interesting,

He sure would be Lk if you introduced him to this lot at the same time poor chap.
Imagine.
Join GR as they are really good at helping you to find things and then he bumps into the likes of Tracey,Janey and others...
Poor chap would need some good stiff drinks within an hour .!

Gill,

Possibles?

13/12/1778 MONCUR JANET PETER MONCUR/JANET CRICHTON DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0060 0355

Father from Slallman(?) and mother is Janet Crichton

The marriage

12/08/1793 MONCUR JANET DAVID RAIT/ F DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0130 0261

Marriage records states David is a Brewer(?) and Janet was the daughter of Peter Moncur

Peter & Janet's marriage

09/12/1767 MONCUR PETER JANET CRICHTON/ M DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0120 0193

No other details given :(

Other children of the marriage (siblings to Janet)

09/09/1770 MONCUR HELEN PETER MONCUR/JANET CRICHTON DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0050 0494
09/02/1777 MONCUR JEAN PETER MONCUR/JANET CRICHTON DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0060 0248
13/10/1773 MONCUR MARGARET PETER MONCUR/JANET CRICHTON DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0060 0091
16/02/1775 MONCUR PATRICK PETER MONCUR/JANET CRICHTON DUNDEE DUNDEE CITY CITY/ANGUS 282/00 0060 0156


Tracey x

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/help_clinic/thread/1249952

What is the reasoning to the answer given on this ?
If the man has no fathers name on his marriage cert surely he is most likely illegit and would not be found with one on census..
And its ticked as solved??
Im going to bed,I cant take all this excitement any longer...

Edits.
After looking at census for it ,did both John Ponds marry a Maria then?
Think that one is wierd..

More edits.
Janey
Its now the correct URL,but I dont know what happened about the last one,that happens a bit on here now as others have it happen too that they give an url and it takes you to the request review page.
But it has been picked up on now that the answer was not correct and that the tick should not have been given..

Hi Tracey

Thanks everso

Thought that Janet's baptism date would have been a couple of years earlier.

Her burial details for Howff Graveyard Dundee in 1852 gave her age as 79

If it's not tooooo much trouble could you have a look to see if she is on the 1851 census Dundee (widowed). In 1841 she and David are in Thomson Street Dundee.

thanks again
Gill

FBG, wtf is this?

http://www.genesreunited.com/boards.page/review?pk=7361803

a. stop giving the %$#@ dot com url.

b. Tthat's a link to a "request review" page - can't find the thread from there.
So no clue wot yer talking about.


SRS - how kewl, I shall go have a look toot sweet.