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CM,

I'm not sure if you do have this but here is Catherine's marriage.

1883 MUNRO JOHN KINMOND CATHERINE HAY LEITH NORTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/01 0096

If you want the image please pm me your email addy

T x

So Chris, as long as Tracey is ignoring my SP request ;) -- let's just take over her thread!

Other births to Thomas Draper and Grace:

Name: William Nicholas Draper (Nicholas is a regional Cornwall name as well)
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Sep 1829
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT LEONARDS, SHOREDITCH, LONDON, ENGLAND
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1829
Father's Name: Thomas Draper
Mother's Name: Grace
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04080-5

Name: Geo Augustus Draper
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 May 1827
> Baptism/Christening Place: MEVAGISSEY, CORNWALL, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Tho Draper
Mother's Name: Grace
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P02063-1

Did either survive? and where are any of these people in 1841??

You cheeky mare.....!!!!

I'm currently looking as we speak and have been in and out of your post since you posted!!

Sheesh.... just can't help yourself huh :)

Welcome onboard....

T xx

Eh, I just sent it to torment you.

Not totally -- my request on the Clinic was entirely genuine.

Ancestry messes things up, and with the Scottish censuses there's no way to tell, since there's no access to images.

I do seem to have saved the SP census image for

Name: Ann Berwind
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Leith Walk 3 Hope Ch
Occupation: F Servant

so I guess I decded that wasn't her, for instance.

It's not that I haven't tried! It's just so hard to get the second head to rub together for Scottish thingies.

Yes, seen W N Draper...daughter Priscilla born London 1825.
Parents are in London 1841, (Grace is nursing in St. Pancras, daughter Priscilla with a couple in Bethnal Green, (down as Jane) Thomas haven't found him, (he is a carpenter) Grace is widowed on 1851 with daughter Priscilla, Saffron Hill, London.

Only discovered W N Draper when ANC. London Baptisms came online.
Perhaps they went back to Cornwall for a couple of years where Geo Aug was born (hadn't seen him), then came back to London.

Will make a project on the two boys...I'm on the verge of ordering Marriage 1855, W N Draper to Ann Jinks. Devon (FreeBMD)...

Chris :)

(apologies to Tracey)...


Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DRAPER George Augustus 80 Edmonton 3a 350

(just found this)

Will work on it, and report back :-)

Don't apologise Chris, your doing exactly what this thrad was intended to do...interact and solve problems!

T x

Advice please Tracey re Scottish records.

Wm. John Louden (son of George Louden & Hannah Diamond)
Married
Ellen Jane Darrah (daughter of Hugh Darragh and Bridget Docherty)
Married 24 May 1872 St. Johns Glasgow.

Daughter Bridget 1873 & Son George 1874. both born Glasgow.

please, which Scottish Cert do I order to find if they were Scottish or Irish?

Many thanks in advance for any help given.
Jan.

Janey,

20/03/1809 RAE GEORGE son of HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL M KIRKCALDY /FIFE 442/00 0040 0121

Want the image? Says George son of Henry Rae Carrier....

So that's a start?

Fife, not Edinburgh....

T xx

Tracey -- here's one that could be worth checking for poor moi.

1851

Name: Mrs. Ann Baird
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 654
Civil Parish: Rutherglen
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Black Foulds Hos

I have no doubt it says Baird, but ...

It's possible my Ann lied about her age. The only Ann Rae that I and someone connected with that Rae family somehow (or not ...) ever managed to find, with father henry, was:

04/02/1795 - RAE ANNE - HENRY RAE - F - Glamis/ANGUS - 289/ 0020 0209

but that just seemed really unlikely ... although it's possible, and that Alexander and William Rae were maybe nephews (the other children of that father were all born before 1805).

Janet

Don't order the cert! I'll download it for you and email it to you...

Scottish certs pretty much give you all the same info, all include full parent details..... however having said that getting the parents marriage cert will give you the next generation.

The parent's birth certs can then be looked for..... Scottish birth certs include the date of the parents marriage, so trying to find their births will let you know whether either of ellen or Wm John's parents married in Ireland.


Tracey x

Oh, crossposting -- yes, looking back at those records I kept, the later births do have the mother's name --

23/02/1803 - RAE MARY - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - F - Kirkcaldy/FIFE

Duh. Richard didn't know her mother's name ... said "Anne" ... ?

edit - all births for that couple I had found:

08/05/1805 RAE HELEN - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - Kirkcaldy/FIFE
20/03/1809 RAE GEORGE - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - Kirkcaldy/FIFE
12/03/1801 RAE WILLIAM - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - Kirkcaldy/FIFE

Hm, not "later births", the other births with father Henry Rae were in Glamis/Angus ... and they overlap so they're out, presumably.

....and then there's William.

12/03/1801 RAE WILLIAM HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL M KIRKCALDY /FIFE 442/00 0040 0074


T x

Hi Tracey


I'm not sure if you do have this but here is Catherine's marriage.

1883 MUNRO JOHN KINMOND CATHERINE HAY LEITH NORTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/01 0096

If you want the image please pm me your email addy


Thank you Tracey. Yes I do have that marriage image - it was her 2nd marriage. She had been previously married to Colin MacKenzie (took place in the East Indies but I've never been able to find the marriage :-(( .

Colin divorced her (got the records and very interesting reading they are too - well worth £15 lol).


Mary

LOL,

No worries, i like to make sure all bases are covered....


T x

A Big Thank you Tracey for your offer,
It sounds as though It will give me a breakthrough on Gt. Granddads side of the family.
Regards
Jan.

i'm looking now to see what i can find for you.

Tracey x

So T, what's the wild theory here? My Ann was really Helen, maybe? ;)

08/05/1805 RAE HELEN - HENRY RAE/MARGARET NICOL - Kirkcaldy/FIFE

Oh -- if you look at the Rae/Nicol births in Fife (hey, what am I paying you for??) -- does it say Henry's occupation?


Whaddaya know about gold beaters? Sounds like a reasonably good-wage occupation. And yet Richard was in the workhouse at least 1851-1869. Disability maybe. With his wife dying in Scotland in 1858. And him attending to register. The men in that family are odd.


................ stop sending me PMs .................... and close your mouth when you stick out your tongue ...................

I told you it said he was a carrier.... Grrr


T x

Who was my dad's Auntie Nellie? Here she is in 1901 - who were her parents? was she born as Greig?


1901 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 168/2
Registration district: St Machar
Civil Parish: Aberdeen Holburn
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 22 Rosebank Pl
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 109

John Greig 47 Rathen, Aberdnsh Head M Labourer-general
Lizzie Greig 45 Lonmay, Aberdnsh Wife M
James C Greig 18 Kininmouth [Kininmonth], Aberdnsh Son S Grocer-assistant
Maggie A Greig 14 Peterhead, Aberdnsh Daur S
Lewis Greig 15 Longside, Aberdnsh Son
Allan Greig 13 Old Deer, Aberdnsh Son Messenger
----new page-----------------------------
Hellen Mary Greig 5 Aberdeen, Aberdnsh Adopted Daur

Source Citation: Parish: Aberdeen Holburn; ED: 22; Page: 25; Line: 20; Roll: CSSCT1901_57; Year: 1901.
Source Citation: Parish: Aberdeen Holburn; ED: 22; Page: 26; Line: 1; Roll: CSSCT1901_57; Year: 1901.


John and Elizabeth Greig MS Johnston had 3 older sons Alexander 25, John 22, and William 21 with pob=Old Deer (based on 1881).

Hmmm,

Gold beater, doesn't seem like the person finding it, more like the person treating it?

It's probably too far down the work chain to be a big money earner?


T x