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Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 11:42

I wonder how may of the assorted others over the census were Margaret's children?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:35

That looks good Aileen! So that is probably her father James that she is living with in 1841.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:33

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
KATHARINE RUTHERFORD Pedigree
Birth:
Christening: 14 NOV 1833 Rattray, Perth, Scotland
Parents:
Mother: MARGARET RUTHERFORD Family


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 11:30

Death for Margaret Rutherford

1885 RUTHERFORD MARGARET F 64 ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

Margaret Rutherford (Farm Servant) SINGLE....died 08/02/1885 at Bell Street, Dundee....parents given as James (Farm Servant) and Jean Rutherford (not sure of maiden name) ......cert witnessed by Jessie Garland (daughter)

Age is a bit out though......she would have been over 70

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:25

This looks like Margaret in 1841 (note there is also a Helen Jack in the household, the niece living with her in 1851?). On this census too, it looks like her daughter Catherine's surname is Addison. Could Janet Duff actually be Jessie Cliff later Garland?

Piece: SCT1841/282 Place: Dundee -Angus Enumeration District: 52
Civil Parish: Dundee Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 52 Page: 18
Address: Smith Court



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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
RUTHERFORD James M 65 Labourer Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD Margret F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD Christian F 22 Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD John M 20 Iron Funder Appr Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD Janet F 18 Lint Spiner Outside Census County (1841)
RUTHERFORD David M 16 Outside Census County (1841)
ADDISON Catherine F 8 Outside Census County (1841)
JACK Helen F 6 Outside Census County (1841)
DUFF Janet F 2 Outside Census County (1841)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:13

1861

Name: Margaret Rutherford
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Korgandeeny, Perth
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: Dundee Second District
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 128 Overgate
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 60
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1861_40
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Rutherford 53
Catherine Adamson 21
Arthur Grassie 10
Elizabeth Brown 56
Catherine Fraser 23
John Cowie 3
David Robertson 6
Mary Cowie 45
Thomas Robertson 49




Although there is no relationship given for Arthur, I wonder if he was Margaret's son and his father the Samuel Grassie who was living at the same address on the 1851 census?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 11:08

1881 Census

Name: Margaret Rutherford
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1808
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Forgandenny, Perthshire
Registration Number: 282/3
Registration district: St Clement
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: Rattrays Entry
Occupation: Sack Sewer
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 374
Line: 8
Roll: cssct1881_84
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Rutherford 73
Catherine Edison 48 Daughter
William H Garland 16 Grandson, Millworker
Ann McIntyre 35 Boarder



So it would appear that Jessie's mother is Margaret rather than Jean?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 10:58

1851

Name: Janet Cliff
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's name: Margret Rutherford
Gender: Female
Where born: Blair Gowrie, Perthshire
Parish Number: 282
Civil Parish: Dundee
Town: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 7 Barrons Court
Occupation: Millworker Spinner
ED: 79
Page: 19 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 84
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1851_63
Household Members: Name Age
Margret Rutherford 43 b. 1808, Leone, Perthshire
Cathrine Eardson 18 daughter, b. Blairgowrie
Janet Cliff 12
Helen Jack 14 Niece, b. Blairgowrie
Rachel Elder 24 Lodger
Jess Nairn 2 Lodger
Cathrine Clark 20 Lodger
Samuel Grassie 51 Lodger

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 10:54

Marriage for Williamina

1927 ROSS ALEXANDER GARLAND WILLIAMINA ROBE ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

No father's name given for Williamina

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 10:53

1861

Name: Jessie Cleff
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Blairgowrie, Perth
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: Dundee Second District
Civil Parish: Dundee
Town: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 3 Hunter St
Occupation: Factory Worker
ED: 19
Household schedule number: 152
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1861_41
Household Members: Name Age
James Warden 29
Cathrine Warden 25
David Warden 5
Mary Warden 10 MO
Jane Fury 20
Jessie Cleff 21

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 10:50

1885 GARLAND WILLIAM LEONARD SIDNEY ST MARY DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

William Garland (Private no1178 Gordon Highlanders) age 20 (Rattray's Entry, Dundee) son of Alexander(General Labourer) and Jessie Garland ms Cliff married Sidney Leonard (Jute Spinner) aged 18 daughter of James(Cloth Lapper)(deceased) and Catherine Leonard ms Hutton on 28/02/1885

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 10:41

marriage for parents

Alexander Garland (Joiner journeyman) aged 20 son of Alexander (Flax Dresser) and Sophia Garland ms Tait (deceased) married Jessie Cliff (Mill Worker) aged 24 daughter of James (Flax Dresser)(deceased) and Jean Cliff ms Rutherford

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 10:22

Birth for Catherine

1879 GARLAND CATHERINE ANN A F ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

Catherine Ann Addison Garland born 21/09/1879 at Rattray's Entry, Bell Street, Dundee parents given as Alexander (Hammerman) and Jessie Garland ms Cliff.

Parents marriage 13/05/1864 Dundee

1864 GARLAND ALEXANDER CLIFF JESSIE DUNDEE FIRST DISTRICT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 09:51

I feel sure that this is Jessie listed as Isa in 1881. The year and place of birth match. Look at Alexander's occupation.

Name: Alexander Garland
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Isa Garland
Gender: Male
Where born: Dandee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/3
Registration district: St Clement
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: Rattrays Entry
Occupation: Street Porter
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 373
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_84
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Garland 40
Isa Garland 40
Arthur Garland 8
John Garland 5
Catherine Garland 1

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 09:46

1901

This is the only Thomas and Margaret that I can see and although they are in Dundee, they just don't seem the correct people (assuming the relationships are wrong in the other 1901 census)

Name: Thomas Garland
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Garland
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 282/1
Registration district: St Peter
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 42 Scouringburn
Occupation: General Laborer
ED: 20
Household schedule number: 154
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_91
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Garland 52
Margaret Garland 47 b. Ireland
Ellen Garland 11
John Rourk 40
George Glen 20


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 09:36

1871

Name: Jessie Garland
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Alexander Garland
Gender: Female
Where born: Blair, Perthsh
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: St Mary
Civil Parish: Dundee
Town: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 130 Overgate
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 104
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1871_50
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Garland 30
Jessie Garland 35
William Garland 6
Alexander Connacher 17


rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 19 Nov 2010 09:26

The address for Catherine on that 1901 census is the same address as Linda has given from the marriage certificate. The death that Aileen has found has the same parents as found on the census records. I wonder why she gave different parents on her marriage to Andrew.

Have you looked to see what became of Andrew Connelly please?

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 01:20

Birth for Williamina (Mina)

1908 GARLAND WILLIAMINA ROBE F ST MARY DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

Williamina Robertson Garland or Connelly ....born 13/09/1908 daughter of Catherine Garland (Jute Spinner) wife of Andrew Connelly (General Labourer) who she declares is not the father of the child, and further, that she has neither seen nor had any personal communication with him for five years past.

No fathers name given

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 00:55

No records of any kind on Scotland'sPeople for Margaret Cluft

Aileen

Aileen Report 19 Nov 2010 00:39

??? Death for Catherine...... the parents are not the same

1925 GARLAND CATHERINE ANN CONNELLY F 46 ST CLEMENT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS

Catherine Ann Connelly (Jute Spinner) ...married to Andrew Connelly (Labourer)....died 21/09/1925 at King's Cross Hospital...usual address 5 Parker's Court, Dundee......parents given as Alexander (Labourer) and Jessie Garland ms Rutherford (both deceased) .....cert is witnessed by Mina Garland (daughter) 37 Gellatly Street