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Batman's Daughter you're a star ! That's got to be her. And thanks to **Liz in Scotland ** and ***alviegal*** and everyone else. The fact that my grandmother had a sister called Maggie "Anderson" Hughes pretty much ties it all together. My only question has to be that the birth record on Scotlands people does say that the mothers name was Elizabeth Spark Hughes ??
I've just looked at the 1901 census image and enlarged it to 200%. The Heads name looks to me to read Mrs J Hughes. (Look at the M in Maggie - its the same. look at the r in Anderson - its the same and look at the s in Thomas Nightingale on the same page - its the same).
For those who don't know Chorlton upon Medlock formerly known as Chorlton Row is a district of south Manchester where the Daniel family lived from the early 19th century until the mid 20th century.
Graham

findmypast's transcription. I think the first name is Mrs L Hughes.


1901 census transcription details for: 3, Ambrose Street, South Manchester
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 3698 Folio: 165 Page: 27

Reg. District: Chorlton Sub District: Chorlton upon Medlock
Parish: South Manchester Enum. District: 47
Ecclesiastical District: St John the Baptist City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Ambrose Street, South Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
HUGHES, J Head Married F 45 1856
Scotland
HUGHES, Annie Mcdonald Daughter Single F 16 1885 Corset Maker
Scotland
HUGHES, Maggie Anderson Daughter Single F 14 1887 Children's Clothing Finisher
WhitehavenCumberland
HUGHES, Elizabeth Stewart Daughter Single F 11 1890
Scotland
HUGHES, Isabella Duncan Daughter Single F 10 1891
Scotland
HUGHES, Christian Wallace Daughter Single F 5 1896
ManchesterLancashire
HUGHES, Sarah Mary Daughter Single F 3 1898
ManchesterLancashire


and your missing 1911.

1911 census transcription details for: 25 Seddon St Manchester S E
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN23812 RG78PN1378C RD464 SD2 ED111 SN184

Reg. District: Chorlton Sub District: Ardwick
Parish: South Manchester Enum. District: 111
Address: 25 Seddon St Manchester S E
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
DANIEL, Frank Hindle Head Married M 24 1887 Clerk Moss Side Manchester
DANIEL, Elizabeth Stewars Wife Married F 21 1890 Dundee Scotland
DANIEL, Marjorie Hindle Daughter F 0 (3 MONTH) 1911 Longsight Manchester

Hi BatMansDaughter

I think it's Mrs J Hughes and married.

James is there with the family in 1911 census

Interestingly they ended up in Chorlton, Lancs............ now my knowledge of Lancashire isn't great however I think that Salford is only a stones throw away from here??? So did James take his family back to his home town???


Dee x

Found her!!


1901 England Census about Elizabeth Stewart Hughes
Name: Elizabeth Stewart Hughes
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Ann J Hughes
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 3 AMBROSE STREET

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 188
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann J Hughes 45 >> doesn't say Ann J on image... can't work the name out maybe LIZ?? She is a widow, born Scotland
Annie McDonald Hughes 16
Maggie Anderson Hughes 14
Elizabeth Stewart Hughes 11
Isabella Duran Hughes 10
Chastine Waltera Hughes 5 >> Born Manchester
Sarah Mary Hughes 3 >> Born Manchester


All the other children were born Scotland.


The older children names all tie in with the Scottish 1891 census I found and the middle name for Maggie surely confirms the mothers maiden name and Annie's middle name confirms her Grandmothers maiden name.


Dee x

Thanks again everyone and thanks for the offer of copies Mary. I wont take the copies for now.
My Grandmother Elizabeth Stewart Hughes doesn't appear on the 1901census for England so I guess she was still in Scotland at that time. By the time of the 1911 census she was married to my Grandfather (in 1910) Frank Hindle Daniel and living in Manchester. Unfortunately I cannot find her or Frank in the 1911 census although two of his siblings appear.Unfortunately my Dad who may have known all this died in 1994. I am in touch with a cousin (another grandchild of Elizabeth Stewart Hughes) and she may have some certificates etc.
Graham

Hi Liz

Yes, I would say that it's almost certainly that one. :-)) It's not a very clear image and although I can make out the 184 and Glasgow, the last number is either a tall thin 0 or a 1.

Their ages are shown as 37 (on the 1855 birth cert) which also ties in with the 1871 census you posted.

Mary

Hi Mary,

Could it be 1840 in Gorbals? Ann McDonald was born Lanark/Lanarkshire

DAVID ANDERSON

Marriages:
Spouse: ANN MCDONALD
Marriage:
05 JUN 1840 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland

Yessssssssss!! Success!!! Found her :-)) You were absolutely spot on Liz in Scotland. :-))

It's this one Graham.

1855 ANDERSON ELIZABETH F GUTHRIE /ANGUS 291/00 0017

It's not a very good image, and I can't make out the date of David and Ann's marriage, it's either 1840 or 1841 Glasgow - so you might need to ask SP if they can get a better image for you......if you want to purchase credits and view it yourself of course. It also give details of how many children living and died.

I would offer you the image but I assume you don't want them as you didn't acknowledge my last offer.

Mary

This is Elizabeth Sparks Anderson, 1873/4, in 1901. As you see, she is not married, so she can't be your relation who married James Hughes.

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1901 Scotland Census
about Elizabeth Anderson
Name: Elizabeth Anderson
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's name: Alexander Anderson
Mother's name: Elizabeth Anderson
Gender: Female
Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeensh
Registration Number: 168/2
Registration district: St Machar
Civil Parish: Aberdeen Holburn
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 33 Holburn Road
Occupation: Milliner
ED: 27
Household schedule number: 185
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1901_57
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Anderson 58 Longside, Aberdeensh, mason
Elizabeth Anderson 53 Belhelvie, Aberdeensh
Elizabeth Anderson 27
Alexander Anderson 14 Aberdeen, Aberdeensh

For some reason (in Scotland) middle names got 'added' on marriage, death certs. even on childrens birth certs. that have no relevance to their own birth name. I've seen this happen a lot in Scottish certs.

There is an Elizabeth Anderson born to parents David Anderson and Ann McDonald in 1863

ELIZABETH ANDERSON
Birth:
25 JUL 1863 Alyth, Perth, Scotland

and one in 1855 to another couple of the same names

ELIZABETH ANDERSON
Birth:
14 DEC 1855 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland


Parents:
Father: DAVID ANDERSON
Mother: ANN MC DONALD

The Elizabeth Anderson born in Guthrie, according to 1871 census, father David was a mason.

The Elizabeth born in Alyth, father David was a seaman

Elizabeth's sister Margaret has Spark as a middle name

Family in 1871 census

Name: David Anderson
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ann Anderson
Gender: Male
Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/4
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil Parish: St Andrew
County: Angus
Address: 12 King St Court
Occupation: Mason
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 130
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1871_52

David Anderson 52
Ann Anderson 53
Elizabeth Anderson 15
Margaret Anderson 12 born Murroes, Forfarshire
Thomas Reid 43
George Davidson 21

Hi Graham,

I doubt very much that your G Grandmother was the lady born in 1873 and we seem to have very little information on her. Do you have her death certificate? If not this maybe a line to concentrate on as this would give her year of birth and possibly more info if she died in Scotland.

Do you know more about your Grandmother born in 1889, did she have siblings? Do you know where she was living in 1901?

Any other info may help to unravel this for you.


Sorry Mary, wasn't ignoring you hun. Thanks for the offer of the image but it maybe more beneficial for Graham, if he wants to answer your very kind offer?


Dee x

It would have been illegal to perform a marriage of a 10 year old person in Scotland,and would have even in the 18th cen been void and taken to a court.

Graham

The birth for Elizabeth Spark Anderson in 1873 (posted by Alviegal) - her parents are Alexander Anderson and Elizabeth Dalgarno.

I looked at that birth cert and her father Alexander's occupation was *Mason* -

I asked if you wanted the images I saved from SP.....do you want them or not? If not I will delete them.

Mary

Edited.

Thanks everyone ! Ive got a copy of my grandmother Elizabeth Stewart Hughs 's birth record (born April 27th 1889) and her parents were definitely James Hughes, Electrician and Elizabeth Spark Hughes formerly Anderson. This record shows the marriage date as May 25th 1883 and I have found that in the marriage records.
I could only find one person in the family with the unusual middle name of "Spark" and she was definitely born in 1873.
Graham

DAVID ANDERSON Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ANN MCDONALD Family
Marriage:
03 MAY 1850 Alyth, Perth, Scotland

I see where you're going with that Dee, and you could well be right..........but I'm pretty sure Mary's maiden name began Mc.

It looks like McCann to me......do you want me to send it to you and see what you make the name out to be?

Mary

Graham, I think this is the record that you found?

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ELIZABETH SPARK ANDERSON Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
26 SEP 1873 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ALEXANDER ANDERSON Family
Mother: ELIZABETH DALGARNO

Bare with me here;

1861 England Census about Thomas Hughes
Name: Thomas Hughes
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hughes 42 >> Cotton weaver
Mary Hughes 38
Thomas J Hughes 14
Sarah Hughes 12
Edward Hughes 10
John Hughes 8
William Hughes 2



1871 England Census about James Hughes
Name: James Hughes
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household schedule number: 256
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hughes 55
Mary Hughes 55
Sarah Hughes 22
Edward Hughes 20
John Hughes 16
William Hughes 13
>>>>>>>>>>James Hughes 9
Margaret Hughes 5


1881 England Census about James Hughes
Name: James Hughes
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Chorlton On Medlock
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 15 Renshaw St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Telegraph Clerk
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton Upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Hughes 60
Sarah Hughes 32
William Hughes 21
James Hughes 19
Margaret Hughes 15


1891 Scotland Census about James Hughes
Name: James Hughes
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth Hughes
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 282/4
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil Parish: Dundee
County: Angus
Address: 1 Crescent Lane
Occupation: Telephone Linesman
ED: 19
Household schedule number: 135
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1891_94
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hughes 29
Elizabeth Hughes 34
Anna Hughes 6
Margaret Hughes 4
Elizabeth Hughes 1
Isabella Hughes 6 MO



Name: James Francis Hughes
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 06 Oct 1861
Baptism/Christening Place: Abbots Salford, Warwick, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Hughes
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Morgan Hughes
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04949-1
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1999507
Reference Number: Item 12
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


So could Mums surname have been Morgan??

Dee x

Just like me Mary..... but I like to call it intrigued rather than nosey! LOL!!