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I wonder if you can find the records at both of the "homes"

They sound like RC institutions so may well have records.

I would try the nearest local studies cenre first.

Adding because Im interested in the outcome

Thank you all for your efforts, I should perhaps add that we have the marriage details of Winifred to Wiliam Usher Duke in 1904 and also her death in 1965, we still however are no closer to finding her birth details, I have now sent for the b cert for Winifred 1880 to see if this may be her, I have taken careful note of the helpful info about dates not being reliable, I will add a message if and when I find her

Once again thanks everyone

Lyn xx

Felt the need to jump in. ;)

I really liked the look of:

Births Sep 1876
Kegan Winifred Mary A
S. Shields 10a 792

especially when I couldn't find a marriage or death for her -- but I suspect this is her in 1881:

Name: Wineford Cagan
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Andrew Cagan
Mother's name: Jane A. Cagan
Where born: Hebburn, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
County/Island: Durham
Registration district: South Shields

and maybe a marriage:

Marriages Sep 1899
Keegan Winifred Mary A
S. Shields 10a 1300


Oh, and LK, I will keep begging you to tidy up those C&Ps --

DUNCAN, Robert Head Married M 42 1859 Fireman On Paper Works
Sunderland
Durham VIEW

DUNCAN, Robert Head Married M 42 1859 Fireman On Paper Works Sunderland Durham

You'd make me scroll 1/3 as much and make it so much easier to read. You can still edit? Space delete, space delete ...

maybe

1871 census - household transcription
Person: SCOTT, Isabella
Address: Mason's Arms, St Giles
SCOTT, George Head M 31 1840 Northumberland VIEW
SCOTT, Isabella Wife F 28 1843 County Durham VIEW
SCOTT, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1867 County Durham

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
BARRETT Isabella Newcastle T 10b 254
SCOTT George Newcastle T 10b 254

I wonder if John and Winifred were later children.

And this is where Usher came in

Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
DUKE Richard Sunderland 10a 799
Usher Isabella Sunderland 10a 799

Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
Duke Isabella Sunderland 10a 684
Duncan Robert Sunderland 10a 684

Aha I think I see where they might fit in now
Back to the drawing board.

1891 census - household transcription
Person: DUNCAN, Isabella
Address: 2, Sea View Street, Ryhope, Ryhope Colliery, Sunderland
DUNCAN, Robert Head Married M 32 1859 Fireman Coal Mine
Sunderland
County Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Isabella Wife Married F 35 1856
Sunderland
County Durham VIEW
DUKE, William U Stepson Single M 15 1876 Drivers Coal Mine
Sunderland
County Durham VIEW
DUKE, Richard Stepson Single M 13 1878 Drivers Coal Mine
Sunderland
County Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Elizabeth Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Sunderland
County Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Robert Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Sunderland
County Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Henry T Son M 5 1886
Sunderland
County Durham

1901 census - household transcription
Person: DUNCAN, Isabella
Address: 8, Walton Place, Sunderland
DUNCAN, Robert Head Married M 42 1859 Fireman On Paper Works
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Isabella Wife Married F 44 1857
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 18 1883 Worker In Paper Works
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Robert Son Single M 16 1885 Worker On The Rollers
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Henry Son M 15 1886 Worker On The Rollers
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Isabella Daughter F 13 1888
Sunderland
Durham VIEW
DUNCAN, Alexander Son M 8 1893
Sunderland
Durham

I wonder if these are the witnesse?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: DUNCAN, Isabella
Address: 33 East St Sunderland
DUNCAN, Robert Head Married M 52 1859 Fireman Paper Mill Durham Sunderland VIEW
DUNCAN, Isabella Wife Married
31 years F 54 1857 Durham Sunderland VIEW
DUNCAN, John Thomas Son Single M 30 1881 Labourer Paper Mill Durham Sunderland VIEW
DUNCAN, Alexander R Son Single M 18 1893 Labouer Colliery Screens Durham Sunderland

We have a George and Isabella here

1871 census - household transcription
Person: SCOTT, Isabella
Address: Wilson Street, Monkwearmouth Shore, Sunderland
SCOTT, George Head M 54 1817 Scotland VIEW
SCOTT, Isabella Daughter F 17 1854 County Durham VIEW
SCOTT, Robert Son M 15 1856 County Durham

This may well be her, cos I am told that she worked as a Laundress in South Shields, BUT am still unable to find a birth cert, in the Name of Barrett or Scott with that dob, do you have any idea where I might find further information regarding the Grange, I have the time to go to library's etc and am prepared to travel to find the info. I have Googled The Grange, but cannot find any relevant info - Thanx Lyn xx

Firstly thank you for all of you who are trying to help, we have also found most of this info, the problem being we are unable to make a definate identification, I have requested the brith cert for Winifred b 1880 to see what info it holds and I already have the birth details for Winefrida b 1856 - I think there may be a link but its def not her, too large a discrepancy in the dob, I am very attracted to the Winifred who was in the Grange Framwellgatemoor, but I do not know where to look for further info on it, and I am curious as to why there is no def record of her birth. My aunt mantains she was born in October either the 15th or 25th strangely she does not know what her mother or father were named. her address when married in 1904 was 8 Walton Place, Sunderland the same as her spouse William Usher Duke born c 1876 in 1911 census 112 Victor St, Monkwearmouth, Sunderland, in 1881 she is listed (we think) with Isabella, herself and brother John at 28 George St, Sunderland. In later life she lived and died in 1965 at Finsbury st, Monkwearmouth, Sunderland., there has never been any other mention of her Father George except on her marriage cert. would I get any relevant info from her Death cert? Phew, once again thanks everyone for your efforts. I must find this lady - its driving me mad!!! Lyn xx

You may find this interesting

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Another possible line of investigation
Could this be the brothr in law from 1911?

1901 census - household transcription
Person: SCOTT, John Geo
Address: 13, Ropery Road, Sunderland
LEVY, Elizabeth Head Widow F 47 1854
Sunderland
Durham
LEVY, Jane Daughter Single F 20 1881
Sunderland
Durham
LEVY, William Son Single M 17 1884 Labourer In Shipyard
Sunderland
Durham
LEVY, Thomas Son Single M 14 1887
Sunderland
Durham
DODDS, Elizabeth Niece Single F 7 1894
Sunderland
Durham
DAVIDSON, Nicholas Boarder Single M 39 1862 Labourer In Shipyard
Sheerness
Kent
SCOTT, John Geo Boarder Single M 22 1879 Labourer In Bottle House
Sunderland
Durham CLARKE, James Boarder Single M 22 1879 Journeyman Tailor
Ireland HANNON, George Boarder Single M 25 1876 Tailor Journeyman
India

This is the same girl

1901 census - household transcription
Person: BARRETT, Winifred
Institution: Convent And Home Of The Good Shepherd, The Gange Longbenton
BARRETT, Winifred Inmate Single F 24 1877 Laundress
Sunderland
Durham

I wonder about this one

1891 Address: 111, House For Friend Less Girls, Framwellgate, Framwellgate, Witton Gilbert Station, Durham
MUNRO, Fanny Head Single F 61 1830 Sister Of Mercy
Gloucester
COLLINS, Elena M Servant Single F 20 1871 Laundress
Scarborough
Yorkshire
JOHNSON, Elizabeth Boarder Single F 17 1874 Traning For Service
Guisbrough
Yorkshire
CARRICK, Ada Boarder Single F 16 1875 Traning For Service
Middlesbrough
Yorkshire
BARRETT, Winifred Boarder Single F 15 1876 Traning For Service
Sunderland
Durham
MITCHELL, Sophia Boarder Single F 14 1877 Traning For Service
Stockton
Durham
CAMPBELL, Elizabeth Boarder Single F 14 1877 Training For Service
Sunderland
Durham
STACEY, Emily Boarder Single F 13 1878 Training For Service
Lancashire
Earlstown
GUTHRIE, Daria Boarder Single F 12 1879 Training For Service
Scotland
BROWN, Mary Boarder Single F 12 1879 Training For Service
Durham
Durham

This is the one that would tie in with brummiejan

1901 census - Address: 30, Railway Street, Hebburn
KEEGAN, Andrew Head Married M 48 1853 Coal Hewer
Amble
Northumberland
KEEGAN, Jane A Wife Married F 47 1854
Dudley
Northumberland
KENNEDY, Winifred M A Daughter Married F 24 1877
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, James J Son Single M 23 1878 Coal Hewer
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, William Son Single M 21 1880 Colliery Underground Pony Putter
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, Jane A Daughter Single F 19 1882
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, Ellen Daughter Single F 18 1883
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, Margaret Daughter F 14 1887
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, Andrew Son M 9 1892
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, Mary E Daughter F 8 1893
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, Martha M Daughter F 6 1895
Hebburn
Durham
KEEGAN, George T Son M 3 1898
Hebburn
Durham
KENNEDY, Thoburn Son-In-Law Married M 26 1875 Shipyard Rivetter's Holder Up
Wallsend
Northumberland

No clues there and father is not George

Lyn
Just another thing to consider that I was reminded of last night when I looked at one of rellies. This will help show the problems.

Alice is first shown with her parents with 5 children listed as married but she and her children are all with her maiden name of Wilde..
She then marries Mr Scott from next door.
Mr Scott was previously married and had 2 children with his first wife Mary.
When Joseph dies she marries Mr Rimmer and has a furthur 3 children.
Henry was also previously married to another Alice and already had 6 children. He was also previously married to Ann and had 4 children with her.
Ann was also previously married and also had a child.
The children on censuses and other records are never sure which parent or step parent to use. Sometimes they use a mixture of the surnames.
Sometimes life was very complicated but people did marry again quickly if they needed a breadwinner or mother for their children.
What I am trying to say is that sometimes the records may not give all the information. The example above involves 7 marriages and 21 children.