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It is now February and we are still looking for Winifreds B cert, we have come back to the 1881 census entry in Newcastle, but there seems to be an error with this as well. On 1881 census there are two Winifred Barretts, one is living with a Thomas and Mary Barrett in Newcastle with other siblings dob c 1876. The other Winifred Barrett dob c 1880 is listed as living with Isabella Scott mother and brother John Barrett, also with them is Elizabeth Wells, born Norfolk, they are living in Sunderland but give Newcastle as place of birth. We are unable to find a GRO number for her. the only one we have found is badly transcribed and on one site is listed as 10b 444 and on another as 10b144 however the dob is of the Winifred Barrett dob 1876, we are unable to find a GRO for Winifred Barrett born c 1880 - can anyone help?

Even allowing some latitude for the dob we have been unable to locate her, if she lied about everything on her marriage cerrt including her age and fathers name, then we really have no way of finding her,. We have been unable to locate any Winifred with a father named George, who we can tie into her with any certainty, as I said we are now stumpted, since we really don't know what we can or cannot believe, however the 2 certs i Have don't fit with anything that we know either - I just dont know where else to look or what to look for!!!

How do you know she did'nt lie on her marriage cert?

My grandfather said he was 29 when he married and when he died 40 years later is age is 69 but he was really 72 after I managed to find his birth cert to confirm this.
The age on her death cert will only be what the informant knows

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Birth certs came but disappointingly don;t appear to be the Winifred we are looking for, am now running out of ideas of where and how to search further for her. I do know that she died in 1965 aged 88, so that puts her dob firmly in 1876 so she did not lie on her marriage cert. Any ideas gratefully received

Lyn

Well disappointment all round, neither of the Winifred birth certs I sent for appear to be for the right person, so we are back to square one unable to find her - am now compeltely stumped, and don't know where else to look

Lyn

We think that this is the correct entry, we were thrown off course because of the birth date of 1880, cos with that date you cannot find any other entry for her, however there seems to be an error on the system/indexing? cos if you search in all records with a +/- of 2 yrs she then shows up with a birth year of 1878, which would be correct, I have sent for the birth cert, for for more info, but have now located her in most census years, it would seem that she traveled to Kent where she is listed as a visitor,she then appears to have returned to the North East and we think.. it is our Winifred who is at The Grange convent aged 24

The problem we then have is the birthdate.

Too young to marry


1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 5002 Folio: 35 Page: 63
Reg. District: Sunderland Sub District: West Sunderland
Address: 38, George St, Sunderland County: Durham
WELLS, Elizabeth Head Widow F 38 1843 Norfolk
SCOTT, Isabella Wife Married F 26 1855 NewcastleNorthumberland
BARRETT, John Son Single M 2 1879 NewcastleNorthumberland
BARRETT, Winifred Daughter Single F 1 1880 NewcastleNorthumberland

Groom's Name: Georgium Scott
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Isabellam Barrett
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 07 Dec 1864
Marriage Place: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Groom's Father's Name: Josephy Scott
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: Joannis Barrett
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01883-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2046623
Reference Number: pg 148
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

The marriage LK found is on freebmd


Marriages Dec 1864 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BARRETT Isabella Newcastle T 10b 254
Reed Mary Ann Newcastle T 10b 254
SCOTT George Newcastle T 10b 254
Weddle George William Newcastle T. 10b 254

http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Longbenton/ChurchRecords.html


A transcript of monumental inscriptions at Longbenton and the Convent of the Good Shepherd (microfiche TN85) is published by Northumberland and Durham Family History Society and these records are also available in book form at Newcastle Central Library, Local Studies Department.

google Convent And Home Of The Good Shepherd longbenton

top of the list is

Convent And Home Of The Good Shepherd longbenton

Go into their and there are some images

I cannot remember exactly what criteria I used but George Scott spouse Isabella brings up a few so may have done it that way.

Could you tell me where you found the details of George and Isabellas marriage,10b 254 as I have been unable to locate it myself and I am now very curious

No the link wouldn't work for me

Did you look at the photo in the link I posted?

We have found that the Grange, was both a Convent and a 'home' it took in orphans, and immigrants from ireland, and young friendless women, and trained them to a trade. there is some information about it found by using Google, but there are no index's available on line that I can find, so I think its a trip to the library, by the way, the place still exists, but not in its past format

Lyn

I am not sure if they were convents but catholic charities maybe from the sound of them.

Thank you for that = i didnt in fact know that, most of our research has centred on Sunderland, because our two surviveing rellies that knew her are adamant that she always lived in Sunderland, however they may not have any knowledge about her very early years - my aunt says she was a great one for telling stories, but she doesnt recall her ever mentioning being in a convent, though she told us she worked as a laundress in South Shields. She apparently never mentioned her mother and father since neither can remember either of them - Cheers Lyn x

Lyn I just wanted to let you know incase you don't already St Bedes Church in the info that SAFC found was for many years the only Catholic Church in Jarrow & the surrounding area so keep that info in mind when you're going through your info as you mentioned that the family were Catholics.

I will contact newcastle to see if they may be able to shed any light on the homes = thanks