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Yes, I have Harry's birth, baptism, marriage and death certificates.

There is this marriage for Simeon - a widower, (with father Simeon) in Rochdale to Alice - but not Hope.

Was Father Simeon a farmer do you know?



Marriage: 31 Jul 1864 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England

Simeon Lord - 39 Grocer & Butcher Widower of Bluepits, Castleton
Alice Thomas - 24 Spinster of Bluepits, Castleton
Groom's Father: Simeon Lord, Farmer
Bride's Father: Walter Thomas, Engineer
Witness: John Turner; Hannah Thomas
Married by Licence by: Thomas Carter, Curate

so to help people looking at this thread - Harry's baptism which gives us Simeon's occupation

Baptisms: 10 May 1880 St George, Everton, Lancashire, England
Harry Lord - Child of Simeon Lord & Alice
Born: 16 Apr 1879
Abode: 30 Wye St
Occupation: Engineer
Baptised by: H. J. Langley
Register: Baptisms 1866 - 1882, Page 323, Entry 2582
Source: LDS Film 2147913

and the rest of the family in 1881

Simeon LORD Head M Male 36 Mchester, Lancashire, England Engine Fitter At Works
Alice LORD Wife M Female 38 Prestwich, Lancashire, England
Charlotte LORD Daur Female 9 West Derby, Lancashire, England Scholar
Simeon LORD Son Male 6 Holywell, Flint, Wales Scholar
Arnold LORD Son Male 3 Holywell, Flint, Wales
Harry LORD Son Male 1 Everton, Lancashire, England

do you have Harry's birth certificate to confirm his mother's maiden name

I have two generations of Simeon Lord, unfortunately both married an Alice. Father, born 1818 married to Alice but I don't know her maiden name, and son born 1845 who married Alice Hope, born 1843 who gave birth to my grandfather Harry in 1880 (died 1960). I agree that there were far too many Lords in the Spotland area, but so far this family appears to answer most of the questions. I am having great difficulty in confirming the line because I cannot find birth records for either Simeon.

also on your other thread you say Simeon was born 1850 & Alice Hope in 1855

we also need to sort out what years we are looking at

presumably there were not 2 generations of Simeon Lord who married an Alice Hope

on your other thread you say Simeon & Alice had a son Harry born in Everton in 1879 - that Simeon was born in Manchester

The Simeon born in Spotland seems to be married to a Sally in 1881

you need to confirm which one you are looking at as Simeon Lord is not exactly an uncommon name in the Rochdale/Todmorden area.

If you could tell us how Simeon fits into your tree perhaps we can help you find the right one.

Just repeating now what is on the other thread. There seems to be some confusion with dates there as well.

1841 This your one.
Name: Simeon Lord
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Spotland Further Side
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Simeon Lord 20
Alice Lord 20

1841
Name: Simeon Lord
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Spotland Further Side
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jeremiah Lord 27
Alice Lord 46
James Lord 25
Simeon Lord 21
William Lord 15
Sally Lord 14
Elizabeth Lord 4

Are you sure they had children??

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
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>>HOPE Alice Birkenhead 8a 698
Hughes Elizabeth Birkenhead 8a 698
>>LORD Simeon Birkenhead 8a 698
ROBERTS Morris Birkenhead 8a 698

other thread still there

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1244991

1841
Name: Simon Lord
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Rochdale
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Whitworth and Brandwood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Lord 60
Martha Lord 50
John Lord 30
Robert Lord 25
Simon Lord 20
Ann Lord 15
Mary Greenwood 60

Historical Geography
In 1835 Spotland was a township in the parish of Rochdale.

SPOTLAND, a township and a chapelry in Rochdale parish, Lancashire

Susan, do you already have a thread about Simeon Lord? Or has it been deleted? (Just trying to avoid reinventing the wheel!)

Simeon Lord, born 1818 in Spotland, Lancashire, married Alice (born 1819). They had 5 children, Jane, Simeon, Mary, George and Abraham. I do not know how to find notice of Simeon's birth. Can you help?