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Martha Ann johnson born 1898 died J/F/M 1901 Bramley.9b 221

Martha Johnson born 1902 died Leeds 1906.

Maryb

Yes Maureen - we are looking for a sister to Arthur. However Kay posted that she wondered if Martha could have been Arthur's daughter instead of his sister. That's why I was looking for a daughter.

Kath. x

I can't find a death for Nellie that fits with her year of birth and before Arthur's second marriage.

Have you considered that at the time of the war when it was very difficult and expensive to get a divorce that a lot of people separated from their first spouse and married again bigamously. I'm not saying that this is what happened in this case but is something to think about as it happened quite a lot.

Kath. x

Kath,
Aren't we looking for a sister for Arthur called Martha? (not a daughter ). FMPast is playing up on me,but I think the Arthur Rowland you found looks likely. BUT-he won't be the 1911 person (John Henry and Clara's) as on the 1901 he's already born.

That didn't make sense to anyone but me,did it?

Maureen

i have found a martha born 1898. could this be his sister poss

I think it would help to buy Arthur's birth certificate so you would have both parent's names - then you could be more certain that you have the right people in the 1911 census.

Kath. x

could you find out if nellie died young be for 1943

This could be Nellie's birth:-

Name: Nellie Northgreaves
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Holbeck
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 286

Kath. x

This looks like Arthur's first marriage:-

Name: Arthur R Johnson
Spouse: Nellie Northgreaves
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1921
Registration district: Bramley
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 635

There are four possible children from this marriage (there is a Mary but no Martha).

Kath. x

sorry kay was his second wife they had no children i dont no his first wife name only they came from bramly

Same family from 1901 at same address.

1901 England Census
about Alfred Johnson Name: Alfred Johnson
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John H Johnson
Mother's Name: Clara Johnson
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Hunslet
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hunslet
Sub-registration district: Hunslet
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members: Name Age
John H Johnson 42
Clara Johnson 43
Eleanor Johnson 14
Francis Johnson 11
Harry Johnson 8
Alfred Johnson 3
Arthur Johnson 10 Months



Andy

I can't find a birh for a Martha Johnson with mother's maiden name Kay so I don't think Martha was Arthur's daughter.

Kath. x

Could Arthur have been born a bit later than you thought? I notice from the marriage to Ethel Kay that he has a middle initial "R".

This is the only birth I can find that seems to fit:-

Name: Arthur Rowland Johnson
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Hunslet
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 243

Kath. x

arthur was married be for ethel kay and she died i wounder if martha could of been arthurs daughter not sister

Yes so my father says,

1911 John henry Johnson 1860 railway goods checker born Mount Pleasant Durham
Clara born huddersield 1858 married 28 years
Eleanor 1887 Hunslet
Francis 1890 Hunslet
Harry 1893
Alfred 1898
Arthur 1901.

If this is the family would they have had Martha after 1911 given the age of parents.

Maryb

Kay, FreeBMD is an easy (and free!) way to research descendants:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

How do you find out about family members after the 1911 census?
I am trying to find out about Arthur Johnsons family He was married to my aunt ethel kay i sent for the marrage certif HE MARRIED IN 1943 AGE 43 is fathert was Henry Johnson> Railway Porter (deceased). I have fou7nd a family on the 1911 census which could be them. 24 milner terrace hunslet leeds although i thought he was from bramly. he had a sister called Martha she is not on 1911 census so could of been born after can any one help
kay