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18 Oct 2010 16:43 |
1901 Address: 18, Weymouth Street, Hemel Hempstead FOUNTAIN, Emma Head Married F 27 1874 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Ethel Daughter Single F 9 1892 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Henry Son Single M 2 1899 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Eva Daughter Single F 0 (4 MOS) 1901 Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire BERMHAM, Ernest Brother-In-Law Single M 20 1881 Labourer In Paper Mill Eaton Bray Bedfordshire BERMHAM, Jack Brother-In-Law Single M 17 1884 Labourer In Paper Mill Eaton Bray Bedfordshire On the 1901 census for Emma Fountain that LadyKira found the original entry shows Henry Fountain, head, married,26, born Eaton Bray Beds.<<<<Older Henry Can't make out his occupation. This entry has been crossed out. Looks like he may have gone awol.
1901 Address: Prospect Cottages, Summerleys, Eaton Bray NEWMAN, Charles Head Married M 31 1870 Bread Baker Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire NEWMAN, Sabina Wife Married F 35 1866 Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire NEWMAN, Constance Daughter M 0 (6 MOS) 1901 Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire NEWMAN, Ann Mother Widow F 64 1837 Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire IMPEY, Frederick Boarder Single M 16 1885 Journeyman Baker Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire
1901 Address: School Lane, Eaton Bray FOUNTAIN, Eliza Head Widow F 44 1857 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Frank Son Single M 24 1877 Labourer Ordinary Farm Eaton Bray Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Harry Son Single M 20 1881 Labourer Cattleman Eaton Bray Bedfordshire <<<< FOUNTAIN, Lucy Daughter Single F 15 1886 Factory Printng Hand Eaton Bray Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Amos Son Single M 12 1889 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Jeffery Son Single M 9 1892 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire FOUNTAIN, Arnott Son Single M 2 1899 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
Marriage of Henry Fountain Newman with Winifed Ellen Fawdrey They married July 20th 1907 at All Saints Church, in Harbury (parish of Warwick) Father of Henry Fountain Newman 29 was James Newman (deceased) Father of Winifred 21 was Luke Fawdry (deceased) witnesses: Albert Edward Fawdrey Louise Beatrix Hillyard
Births Sep 1909 Newman Winifred Maria Southwark 1d 50a
1911 3 William St Tottenham County:Middlesex NEWMAN, Henry Fountain Head Married M 28 1883 Stationery Dealer Eaton Bray Bedfordshire NEWMAN, Winifred Ellen Fountain Wife Married F 24 1887 Witney Oxfordshire NEWMAN, Winifred Maria Fountain Daughter F 2 1909 Camberwell London NEWMAN, Nellie Eileen Fountain Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Islington London Address:
Henry F Newman's occupations were Stationery dealer/Salesman and Inks salesman. On the marriage certificate his occupation states 'Traveller' so I
think this refers to him being a travelling salesman or similar.
1911 Address: Summerleys Eaton Bray Dunstable NEWMAN, Charles Head Married M 41 1870 Baker Bread Bucks Edlesborough NEWMAN, Sabina Wife Married 12 years F 44 1867 Bucks Edlesborough NEWMAN, Constance Daughter F 10 1901 Beds Eaton Bray NEWMAN, Bernard Son M 3 1908 Beds Eaton Bray NEWMAN, Ann Mother Widow F 74 1837 Bucks Edlesborough NICHOLLS, Matilda Visitor Single F 39 1872 Straw Hat Finisher Bucks Edlesborough
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LadyKira
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18 Oct 2010 16:41 |
I have just spent the whole day on this but I think I have got now.
There are 2 Henry Fountains of a similar age
I have put everything found so far into chronological order and included possibly relevant people. I suspect the 2 families are related. It is long so it will take several postings.
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18 Oct 2010 08:38 |
On the 1901 census for Emma Fountain that LadyKira found the original entry shows Henry Fountain, head, married,26, born Eaton Bray Beds. Can't make out his occupation. This entry has been crossed out. Looks like he may have gone awol.
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SylviaInCanada
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5 Oct 2010 19:35 |
sorry, LK
do you mean rootschat?
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LadyKira
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5 Oct 2010 19:28 |
I wonder if you should try rootscat as they have their message boards set up with geographical sections. You are likely to find someone with local knowledge.
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PaddingtonRob
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5 Oct 2010 08:52 |
Yes, the certificate appears to say 'Harry'. Though definitely 'Henry' on my mothers birth certificate from 1910, and on 1911 Census. really could d with the 1921 census being available, but hve to wait a while yet.
I have searched using Henry and Harry. Also the surnames Newman and Fountian separately. Unfortunately no matches on anything.
I am still favouring the birth year as c.1878, but cannot obtain a birth certificate as unsure of place of birth. If I could trace that then we may get somewhere and get a definite name of his mother. States father as James Newman on marriage certificate, but no further information.
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5 Oct 2010 03:56 |
and it is Harry on the image of the GRO register
it could be a mis-transcription, but if so it dates back to the entering of the information in the GRO register
I cannot find a Harry Fountain Newman, as such ..... although, of course, ancestry ahs exactly the same marriage registration information .......... as it was taken from the freebmd records.
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5 Oct 2010 02:10 |
Just wondering if you can clarify the marriage certificate a bit.
The transcription at FreeBMD says
Marriages Sep 1907 FAWDREY Winnifred Ellen Southam 6d 1457 NEWMAN Harry Fountain Southam 6d 1457
Your post says:
the marriage certificate of Henry FOUNTAIN NEWMAN and Winifrd ELLEN FAWDRY.
i.e.
Harry vs Henry (Fawdrey vs Fawdry - a typo, I think)
Harry or Henry?
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2010 22:56 |
I can still find no better match on the records I have.
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PaddingtonRob
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4 Oct 2010 22:41 |
Hello Lady K Thank you for the links you gave, and I did follow them. BTW, I have information on he Fawdry family. Due to matches with other people's family trees I have the family back until th emid 1700s. I knew that Luke Fawdry was in Prison during the 1881 Census. have yet to establish what he had done.
I cannot confirm James Newman's occupation was on henry's marriage certificate he is listed as Deceased. Henry F Newman's occupations were Stationery dealer/Salesman and Inks salesman. On the marriage certificate his occupation states 'Traveller' so I think this refers to him being a travelling salesman or similar.
Yes, you are absolutely correct about the inaccuracies of the census. On the marriage certificate the age give for Winifred Ellen (Fawdry) is 21 which matches all of the Fawdry records we have. therefore I think it safe to assume that Henry was born around 1878. The place of birth however is something in dispute.
Thanks again for all of your efforts.
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2010 20:43 |
What was Jame's occupation? And Henry's?
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4 Oct 2010 20:34 |
1901 census - household transcription Person: FAWDREY, Luke Address: 1, Park Lane Terrace, Harbury FAWDREY, Luke Head Married M 50 1851 Stonequarry Labourer Enstone Warwickshire FAWDREY, Eliza Wife Married F 50 1851 Oxford FAWDREY, Winifred Daughter Single F 14 1887 Ramsden Warwickshire FAWDREY, Frank Son Single M 12 1889 Ramsden Warwickshire
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LadyKira
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4 Oct 2010 20:32 |
Did you follow the links I gave as they wll help you progress your search?
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4 Oct 2010 20:31 |
Just remember that census information is as reliable as the person giving the information and in some years was rounded. I have seen bigger discrepancies.
1881 census - household transcription Person: FAUDREY, Luke Address: H Majestys Prison, Oxford St Thomas FAUDREY, Luke Prisoner Married M 28 1853 Labourer Enstone Oxfordshire
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4 Oct 2010 20:27 |
1861 census - household transcription Person: FAWDRY, Luke Address: Market Place, Enstone FAWDRY, George Head Married M 49 1812 Woodman Enstone Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Mary Wife Married F 49 1812 Woodmans Wife Enstone Tew Oxfordshire FAWDRY, William Son Unmarried M 25 1836 Agricultural Labourer Enstone Oxfordshire FAWDRY, James Son Unmarried M 22 1839 Agricultural Labourer Enstone Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Mark Son M 15 1846 Agricultural Labourer Enstone Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Luke Son M 9 1852 Scholar Enstone Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Charlotte Daughter F 2 1859 Infant Enstone Oxfordshire
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4 Oct 2010 20:26 |
1871 census - household transcription Person: FAWDRY, Luke Address: Blacksmith's Shop, Enstone FAWDRY, George Head M 58 1813 Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Mary Wife F 58 1813 Oxfordshire FAWDRY, James Son M 33 1838 Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Mark Son M 23 1848 Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Luke Son M 18 1853 Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Charlotte Daughter F 12 1859 Oxfordshire
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4 Oct 2010 20:24 |
1891 census - household transcription Person: FAWDRY, Luke Address: Cottage, Village, Ramsden FAWDRY, Luke Head Married M 39 1852 Labourer General Enstone Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1851 Laundress Ramsden Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Susan Elizabeth Daughter F 13 1878 Chalford Oxfordshire FAWDRY, William James Son M 12 1879 Labourer General Dunthrop Oxfordshire FAWDRY, George Aubrey Son M 10 1881 Scholar Ramsden Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Albert Edward Son M 8 1883 Scholar Ramsden Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Rosina May Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Ramsden Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Winnifred Ellen Daughter F 3 1888 Ramsden Oxfordshire FAWDRY, Frank Willis Son M 1 1890 Ramsden Oxfordshire
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4 Oct 2010 11:55 |
OK, have now received the marriage certificate of Henry FOUNTAIN NEWMAN and Winifrd ELLEN FAWDRY. However it ha sonly mad things even more confusng :-( It shows: Marriage of Henry Fountain Newman with Winifed Ellen Fawdrey (Mums parents) They married July 20th 1907 at All Saints Church, in Harbury (parish of Warwick) Father of Henry Fountain Newman was James Newman (deceased) and Father of Winifred was Luke Fawdry (deceases) The following people were witnesses: Albert Edward Fawdrey Louise Beatrix Hillyard
Interestingly it states Henry age as 29 so a birth date of 1877-1879 looks likely. So the 1911 Census must be incorrect stating his birth as 1883??
Have looked for any one called henry NEWMAN born c1878 in Eaton Bray and this has proved fruitless. So is the Census wrong abut place of birth as well?
Any suggestions where to go to from here will be gratefully appreciated.
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LadyKira
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29 Sep 2010 14:19 |
http://www.eatonbray.com/forums/genealogy/
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LadyKira
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29 Sep 2010 14:16 |
This page may get some interesting contacts
Eaton Bray | Facebook Welcome to the Facebook Community Page about Eaton Bray, a collection of shared knowledge concerning Eaton Bray.
www.facebook.com/pages/Eaton-Bray/108386832516484 ยท
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