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beverley

not having much luck for emile

found this chinal in usa born india any idea if this could be his brother?

1910 United States Federal Census
about William E Chinal
Name: William E Chinal
Age in 1910: 29
Estimated Birth Year: 1881
Birthplace: Indiana
[India]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Spouse's Name: Melissa J Chiual
Home in 1910: St Louis Ward 12, Saint Louis City, Missouri
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1907
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William E Chinal 29
Melissa J Chiual 28

found this census which is a possible for your frank


1911 Census of Canada
about Frank Heselton
Name: Frank Heselton
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 25
Birth Date: Apr 1886
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Immigration Year: 1902
Tribal: English
Province: Alberta
District: Red Deer
District Number: 5
Sub-District Number: 119
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dunham D James 43
Emma James 28
Jennett A James 6
Russell E James 4
Edith F James 2
Ida C James 1/12
Frank Heselton 25
Edmund Tarver 29


his occupation is labourer

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Frank Heseltine
Name: Frank Heseltine
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Date of Arrival: 6 Mar 1908
Vessel: Virginian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Virginian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia and St John, New Brunswick
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-503

travelling with chas aged 20

hi Lorraine, on page 11 Steven asked about getting full WWI records from Canada

you're familiar with the CEF webpage where attestation papers may be viewed

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

clicking Search Help on the left of that page goes to

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-130-e.html?PHPSESSID=shj33glsi84knefm6s85h9nbu0

and there is a link to 'How to order a copy of a complete service file'

since Steven won't likely see this now perhaps you would let him know ?

Thanks a lot, Lorraine.
I have William as a possible brother for Emile, though their parents were born out East, not in England: father Eugene in India and mother Catherine in Burma.
I'm very grateful to you for taking he trouble to look this up for me.
Beverley

hello Beverley is this a brother from the record at FIBIS ?

Surname Chinall
Son or daughter son
Gender m
Place Calcutta
Year 1876
month Sep
day 9
Exact Entry Sept 9th at Calcutta, the wife of Mr EA Chinall of a son
Edition Year 1876
Edition Date 14 Sep
Editn 225

the parents married in 1874, is this the mother remarrying ?

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1890
Husband First Names Fredk. W. A.
Husband Surname L'Estrange
Wife First Names Catherine J.
Wife Surname Chinall
Prefix N1
Source Year 1890
Volume Number 214
Folio 358
LDS Film Reference 510894

just wondering in case a son might have gone by that surname

I would just say it is no more likely that he would have gone to Canada than to the US, it was very unusual for there to be French immigration to Quebec after the Conquest ( 1769 ), and in any event they seem to have been anglicised

actually there are several children ... from familysearch.org

Eugene Mahe Burridge Chinall 1875 Bengal
Essling Louis Alfred Chinall 1883 Bengal
Leonie Elisa Chinall 1885 Bengal
Nora Kathleen Chinall 1887 Bengal

groom's name: Reginald Henry Pierce
groom's birth date: 1861
groom's age: 42
bride's name: Leonia Elise Chinal
bride's birth date: 1886
bride's age: 17
marriage date: 16 Nov 1903
marriage place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
groom's father's name: Richard William Pierce
bride's father's name: Eugine Chinal
indexing project (batch) number: M75038-3

son of William and Melissa ?

record title: U.S. Social Security Death Index

first name: William
middle name: E
last name: Chinal
birth date: 19 June 1917
social security number: 327-18-3641
place of issuance: Illinois
last residence: Topeka, Shawnee, Kansas
zip code of last residence: 66608
death date: 18 January 1995
estimated age at death: 78

his wife ?

first name: Georgia
middle name: M
last name: Chinal
birth date: 27 November 1918
social security number: 490-12-5148
place of issuance: Missouri
last residence: Topeka, Shawnee, Kansas
zip code of last residence: 66618
death date: 20 September 1999
estimated age at death: 81

there is one Chinal in Kansas at present

http://www.whitepages.com/name/Ward-Chinal/Leavenworth-KS/5na9mdr

he is a son of the above William and Georgia

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=40134319

my point regarding Emile Chinal is that if William in Kansas was a brother then his grandson is listed in the telephone directory and it would be an easy matter to contact him and enquire about the family :-)

edit I have also now given Beverley contact information for the other grandchild and for another descendant of William in a different state

Hi Lorraine

I don't know if he married or not and I am looking him up on the census, will come to you when I find him.

Rgds :-)

fitzy

thanks will wait to here back from you

lorraine

Chrissie-

Thanks for posting that info.

I don't want to hijack Lorraine's thread, so maybe it's better if I PM you.

Thanks again Lorraine for your efforts. If you could find the immigration entry record for William it would be great, but please don't worry if it's too much to ask.

Beverley

beverley

cant find any evidence of emile in usa or canada unfortuanlty

as for william according to a public tree on ancestry melissa died in 1913 her maiden name was stoner obviously this is what is on the tree not proven and there is one living child as the child is living no details are given says melissa died in missouri .

so we need to find the children of william and melissa if the william in missouri born india is right

i dont have access to missouri births and i cant find a marriage for melissa and william either sorry

I cant find anything for william or emile on a passenger list

Thanks a lot, Lorraine.

I will have a go at writing to the person in the USA.
I suppose the other alternative is that Emile died.

I'm very grateful for your assistance.
Best wishes
Beverley

Jane

have managed to find his death

Name: George W Milnes
Titles & Terms:
Event: Death
Event Date: 08 Mar 1911
Event Place: New Bedford,,Massachusetts
Residence:
Street Address:
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Marital Status: Married
Occupation:
Birth Date: 21 Oct 1870
Birthplace: England
Estimated Birth Year:
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Cemetery:
Father: George W
Father's Titles & Terms:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother:
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Mother's Birthplace:
Additional Relatives:
Spouse:
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: 15
Film Number: 2396047
Frame Number:
Digital Folder Number: 4283246
Image Number: 00542


its on familysearch .org which is free to use

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9FL3-X72/p1

says he is married but no details of wife, if you use the link above you can view the image for his death cert

struggling to find him on a passenger list though

chico

have found what i think is kathleen and harry visiting uk

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Kathleen Lee
Name: Kathleen Lee
Birth Date: abt 1898
Age: 39
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 1 Aug 1937
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
[Quebec]
Ship Name: Ausonia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ausonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard White star
Official Number: 145970

harrys occupation is tinsmith
they have son robert aged 10
and are going to 12 ordinance terrace chatham kent


this time she is travelling alone going to same address as above

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Kathleen Lee
Name: Kathleen Lee
Birth Date: abt 1899
Age: 47
Port of Departure: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Arrival Date: 26 Jul 1946
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Halifax
Ship Name: Georgic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Georgic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: The Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 162365

passenger lists to canada only go up to 1935 so i cant find them going back to canada

Martyn

Have found a possible for james on the 1920

1920 United States Federal Census
about James Mangan
Name: James Mangan
[Samie Mangan]
Home in 1920: Jersey City Ward 8, Hudson, New Jersey
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's Name: Jennie Mangan
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of immigration: 1895
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Mangan 48
Jennie Mangan 49
Margaret Mangan 15
Andrew Mangan 14


wife also born ireland immigration year 1900
both children born new york
james occupation is apprentice machinist


and 1910

1910 United States Federal Census
about James Mongan
Name: James Mongan
[James Mangan]
Age in 1910: 38
Estimated Birth Year: 1872
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Spouse's Name: Jennie Mongan
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1895
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Mongan 38
Jennie Mongan 39
Margret Mongan 6
Andrew Mongan 5


it says they have been married for 7 years so approx 1903 she has had 3 children 2 have survived

will see if I can find a marriage or any more info on the children

the above james mangan is still alive in 1930, do you have any other info on his death could it have been later than 1924?

1930 United States Federal Census
about James Mangan
Name: James Mangan
Home in 1930: Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey
View Map
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Birthplace: Northern Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Jennie Mangan
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Mangan 57
Jennie Mangan 58
Margaret Mangan 25
Andrew Mangan 24

Lorraine

Thanks for your help, that's great to have the info about his death.

Rgds

Jane

thank's for the census record's i will see if i can find out about jennie,
any other info you can find will be greatly appreciated.

martyn

Im not sure if he is the correct james as he is still alive in 1930 is there any possibility he could have died later than 1924, I cannot find a death for him around that year although not all records for USA are complete online.

But he is the only james I can find with the right year of birth in new york area

Lorraine

hi lorraine,
i only have that he took his own life in 1924 ,i have no idea why he did this ,it is this that keep's me looking for answer's,
is there any surname for jennie other than mangan,maybe i could look her up to see if i could out anything.
i know that ellis island, new york was mentioned,so i think that must be were he died,sorry i do not have any more info but the last elderly relative died a while ago,
anything at all you can find will be good as i may be able to find info from ireland.

martyn

I cannot find a marriage for jennie and james nor births of the children New York records are not yet fully transcribed online

familysearch.org have started transcribing new york deaths and marriages but are not complete and cannot find anything for the family.

Do you have anyone in Ireland who could confirm his date and place of death if he definatly died in 1924 then the james on the 1930 census is not right.

Lorraine

hi lorraine,
thank you for all your help,there is no one i can ask ,all i have is what i told you,the only thing that i keep going back to is the illegitamate daughter who came foward,as i know nothing of her this is going to be one of those line's that will very hard to sort.
i think it may be the wrong james,as his wife &children would have claimed his estate,
on his passenger listing he is down as a clerk,but that may not have been the truth,
it is so annoying to keep comming up against a brick wall,he will turn up one day,(i hope),do you know of any other record's i might try to look at,
do they do cemetry record's or anything like that.

martyn