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CHAPMAN Frank Clement Oxley Whitchurch

Brilliant: I have him as Frank Clement O ..., and it answers my quetion about Oxley being part of her name, neatly ties up a loose end!

And you've found a Polish (sounding) name, my contact person was looking for a Polish connection. Looks as if you've found the magic link!

Thanks Prickles!!

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Rose Oxley Clement Name: Rose Oxley Clement
[Rose Oxley Clements]
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1830
Baptism Date: 14 Nov 1830
Father's Name: Thomas Oxley Clement (Salesman)
Mother's name: Sobieski Clement
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born...3rd June 1830

Well, well, well, there's "Clements"! I wonder whether that is a fluke?

Is "Oxley" Rosa's middle name? I've been caught before like that where I've confused part of the address with a middle name ...

Thanks Prickles!

Keith

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ROSE CLEMENTS OR OXLEY Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 NOV 1830 Southwark, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: THOMAS CLEMENTS OR OXLEY Family
Mother: CLEMENTINA SOBIESKI CLEMENTS

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ROSE OXLEY CLEMENTS Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 NOV 1830 Saint Saviour, Southwark, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: THOMAS OXLEY CLEMENTS Family
Mother: SOBIESKI


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Daniel CHAPMAN Head M Male 47 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Clerk
Rosa CHAPMAN Wife M Female 50 London, Middlesex, England
Thomas CHAPMAN Son Male 24 Twickenham, Middlesex, England Clerk
Eliza CHAPMAN Daur Female 27 Durham, Durham, England
Charlotte CHAPMAN Sister U Female 55 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Charles CHAPMAN Son U Male 22 Milford, Surrey, England Clerk
Frank CHAPMAN Son U Male 19 Overton, Hampshire, England Clerk
Rosa CHAPMAN Daur Female 16 Overton, Hampshire, England
Joseph CHAPMAN Son Male 9 Overton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Nelly CHAPMAN Daur Female 8 Overton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Ada CHAPMAN Daur Female 6 London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Elizabeth CHAPMAN Daur Female 4 London, Middlesex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 1 Ravensdon St
Census Place Lambeth, Surrey, England

Which would tie in with.....

Births Jun 1862 (>99%)

CHAPMAN Frank Clement Oxley Whitchurch 2c 173

A possibility as Rosa was born in London...

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Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
Chapman Daniel Marylebone 1a 862
Clements Rosa Oxley Marylebone 1a 862

Looking at the image of the 1871 census, the "A" could possibly be an "O".

Thank you again, Dea. This seems to say they moved from Salisbury to West Ham between 1851 & 71, is that your interpretation too?

Is there any significance in the order that the children are listed? I wonder why Charlotte is the last while she appears to be the eldest?

Can someone find a marriage for Daniel and Rosa A, looks as if it should be around 1855 - 60.

Keith

Just back for a minute - I didn't post anything on her as it just said 'relative' born Canterbury and I didn't have time to look.

A very quick look now looks like she was Daniel's sister??

She is here with a brother Daniel of the right age and birthplace (for him), though this census gives her birthplace also as Salisbury.

Perhaps someone else could follow them right through the census's to confirm before I return?

1851 England Census
about Charlotte S Chapman Name: Charlotte S Chapman
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Chapman
Mother's name: Maria Chapman
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Salisbury St Edmund
Town: Salisbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England



Registration district: Salisbury
Sub-registration district: Salisbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 1847
Folio: 223
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
James Chapman 48 Confectioner
Maria Chapman 47
Thomas Chapman 19
Daniel Chapman 17
Edward Chapman 11
William Chapman 7
Charlotte S Chapman 24

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1847; Folio: 223; Page: 32; GSU roll: 220994.

Dea x

Helps a lot, Dea, thank you very much. That's almost certainly the right Frank, Clemens and variants were a family tradition.

Might you be able to find more on Charlotte S Chapman 44? Elder sister of Daniel perhaps? Some census extracts give the family relationship.

Thanks again

Keith

1871 England Census
about Edith M Bates Name: Edith M Bates
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Spencer Bates
Mother's name: Elizabeth Bates
Gender: Female
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England
Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Household schedule number: 391
Piece: 1630
Folio: 108
Page Number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Spencer Bates 45 Labourer.
Elizabeth Bates 40
Spencer W Bates 16
Eliza E Bates 9
Alice A Bates 7
Charles F Bates 5
Edith M Bates 1

at 8 Bell + Anchor st.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1630; Folio: 108; Page: 70; GSU roll: 829939.


Sorry - Have to go off for a while - hope this helps.

Dea x

Looks 'probable' for Frank?

1871 England Census
about Frank C Chapman Name: Frank C Chapman
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel Chapman
Mother's name: Rosa A Chapman
Gender: Male
Where born: Overton, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Idsworth
Town: Rowlands Castle
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Catherington
Sub-registration district: Horndean
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 1219
Folio: 15
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Chapman 37 Station Master
Rosa A Chapman 35
Thomas D Chapman 13
Charles Chapman 11
Frank C Chapman 8
Rosa M Chapman 6
Clementina I Chapman 5
Joseph F Chapman 1
Charlotte S Chapman 44
Frances Ames 50
Phabe Claxton 42


Address - Railway Station, Rowlands Castle.
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1219; Folio: 15; Page: 23; GSU roll: 827826.

Dea x

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
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BATES Edith Maria W. Ham 4a 173
CHAPMAN Frank Clement O W. Ham 4a 173
HAYS David Marshall W. Ham 4a 173
Tiltman Emily West Ham 4a 173

Dea x

Might someone be able to find the marriage record of Frank and Edith, I'd guess about 1885, please?

Ideally this would include their parents' names but that might require ordering the certificate.

Many thanks

Keith

That's great Keith.

Good luck with your research!! :-)

A happy ending, well, more of a happy beginning! Thanks to Barbara I'm in touch with a member of the family, had a good conversation with her today, so we'll see what we can dig up between us.

I'm very grateful to Jan for the post that brought me here and Barbara for putting us in contact.

Keith

Thanks Prickles, will do!

Hi Keith and welcome to the boards.

As Barbara posted this over a year ago, she might not check back on this thread now.

If you click on her name, you can send her a personal message. :-)

Hello Barbara
I'm new here, I joined when Google turned up your post above.
I was trying to find out about Edith Rose Chapman of 327 Victoria Dock Road, so I am very grateful to Jan for the census extract.
I called Edith "Aunt Edith" but she was not really an aunt, rather a long standing friend of the family, particularly of my Father's - he knew her in the 1930s I think.
My parents lived with her at 327 in 1943-5.
I knew her while she was living at 5 Snaresbrook Hall, Wanstead and stayed with her often, she visited us often too.
I don't have a record of when she died, I guess I was 10-12 perhaps?
Edith's father indeed ran a laundry and had excellent relationships with the shipping companies and the ships, Edith ran it later but it declined and eventually had to be sold which was when she moved to Wanstead.
She had family in Rhodesia and used to visit them.
Maybe some of this is interesting?
If you know any more, I'd be very interested to hear it. I'd love to know more about the friendship between her and my Father.
Keith