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I wonder if this is William George Wellsman in 1901 ...... it is Wellsman on the image, and I have sent in a correction

If so, then the marriage to Mary Elizabeth in 1907 was his second marriage, even though he called himself a Bachelor!


1901 Census

Name: George Wellman <<<<<<<<< Wellsman on image
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary E
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke, London, England

Civil parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden

George Wellman 23 Cab Driver Groom
Mary E Wellman 23 b.ca 1878, Soho, London
George W Wellman 3 b.ca 1898, New North Rd, London
Mary E Wellman 1 6 months b.ca 1899, New North Rd, London
George Wellman 10 months b.ca 1900, Kilburn, London

Address:- 4 Chichester Rd


I couldn't see a death for Mary E




it might be worth a look on the 1911, to see if this family can be found on there.


However ... George's occupation on this census would fit with William George's apparent service with the Kimberly Light Horse in 1901 (Boer War time of course)


sylvia

Amelia Ann's marriage


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Amelia Ann Wellsman
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: William John Griffiths
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Sep 1903
Parish: St Philip the Evangelist, Arlington Square
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: George Wellsman
Spouse Father Name: William Henry Griffiths


from image:-

Amelia Ann

Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 65 Arlington Street
Father's occupation: Labourer (deceased)

William

Age 22
Bachelor
Occupation:- Under Warehouseman
Address:- 17 Packingotn Street
Father's occupation:- Bricklayer

Witnesses:- E Wellsman and George Parker



sylvia

Emily's marriage


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Emily Wellsman
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Spouse Name: Arthur Emons
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Aug 1906
Parish: St Paul, Old Ford
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Wellsman
Spouse Father Name: Thomas William Emons


from iamge:-

Emily

Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- Old Ford, London
Fahter's occupation:- Cellarman (doesn't say he is deceased)

Arthur

Bachelor
Box Maker
Address:- Old Ford London
Father's occupation:- Labourer

Witnesses:- Thomas Edward Edrop (??? sp), Alma Annie Bennett


sylvia

This is your 1911 Sylv.

1911 RG14PN2282 RG78PN77 RD26 SD4 ED32 SN205
Reg. District: Wandsworth Sub District: Clapham
Address: 26 Pentney Road Balham SW County: London
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WELLMAN, George Head Married M 36 1875 Taxi Cab Driver St Lukes London
WELLMAN, Marion Elizabeth Wife Married F 34 1877 St Pancras London
WELLMAN, George William Son M 15 1896 School News Boy Islington London
WELLMAN, Marion Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1900 School Islington London
WELLMAN, Florence Ellen Daughter F 3 1908 St Jhon Wood London
WELLMAN, Leslie Henry Son M 2 1909 Toating London
WELLMAN, Edith Alice Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Balham London

Not convinced she's a Marion, the image looks more like Maria.

Tracey x

Golly, you lot have been working hard for June.

I will send her a pm and let her know just in case she thinks the thread has finished.


Cx

Sylv,

I cannot find a Gladys BMD birth for either a Wellsman or a Clark ?

.... and i cannot find her on the 1911?

EDIT:

Hmmm could this be her actual birth registration?

Births Mar 1900 Clarke Gladys Esther W Lambeth 1d 439

The W being Wellsman?

Tracey x

June has opened the pm I sent her and thanked me for it.


Lots for her to work at on here! Cx

I have received another pm from Rose ..... June contacted her to say:-



........ her parents [are] Kathleen Finch and William Wellsman

but here is the marriage for that and he has initial J

Name: William J Wellsman
Spouse Surname: Finch
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1932
Registration district: Poplar
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 903
Find Spouse: Find Spouse Kathleen A Finch

I've lost the plot a bit but have asked June to confirm the age of William on marriage cert ( she has him as 1879 ) and his father' s name...I think it's gone off track a bit?




so maybe a bit more digging is required




s
xxx

There are two William J* Wellsman born between 1850 and 1940

Births Sep 1908 (>99%)

Wellsman William John Whitechapel 1c 229


Births Jun 1914 (>99%)

WELLSMAN William J Andrews Camberwell 1d 1770



Both in the London area .................... the one born in 1908 would have been 24 at the time of the marriage to Kathleen Finch in 1932, and the second born in 1914 would have been 18


The marriage registration:-

Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)

Finch Kathleen A Wellsman Poplar 1c 903
Wellsman William J Finch Poplar 1c 903



1911 Census free search


HOUSEHOLD WELLSMAN ELIZABETH F 1885 26 Bethnal Green London
HOUSEHOLD WELLSMAN WILLIAM M 1909 2 Bethnal Green London
HOUSEHOLD WELLSMAN WILLIAM GEORGE M 1879 32 Bethnal Green London



If this is William John ..... and it is the only William Wellsman born 1908 +/3 years to appear,

THEN June has got her generations mixed up


William George, b. 1879 is her grandfather


and William JOHN Wellsman is her father






sylvia

That census is on the 1st page slyv

jax

ja...x

I didn't go back to look at p.1!!!



Confirmation received from June


her father was William J Wellsman, born 1908

His father was William Wellsman





sylvia

Hi sylvia
i think theres A mix up with the 2 wellsman, Mine is willian George married Elizabeth Mary Harvey!907 All Saints church Stepney

William George fits in with rest of his family ,
Also About The Discharged Papers he was Gased in this war ,Then Living 19 ash croft rd mile end
with wife and son William John
But Gladys Name comes is 2 other distance familys but no maiden for mother, some times William is called George william
Thanks june

just nudging for those looking on records

I give up now lol

Just wish I could remember what I did a month or so ago
jax

HiThank you sylvia
i think there is a mix upof 2 wellsman s one is fine the other one where thres a gladys and dorris lts other wellsman have got these in there tree but no more information
but was William george Wellsman married beforehe married Elizabeth mary Harrvey and what happened to Gladys wellsman was she step sister to john william wellsman
thanks june

Hi Sylvia
sounds very confusing some of wellsman fit others dont
thanks for trying june

Hi Jax this al seams in a muddle
My william George wellsman Born 1 mar 1876
wife Elazabeth mary Harvey born 26 mar 1884

; stop ive now noiiced;
that makes William 8 years older
but i alway thougth was 5 years older so may be he was born 1879and this is a different wellsman
thanks june

Hello June

I'm new to this thread, so please excuse me for being a bit dumb and slow on the uptake.

Can I start at the latest person? Your dad is William John Wellsman b 30 June 1908, and he married your mum Kathleen A Finch in 1932. Is that right?

His dad was William George Wellsman b 1879 and mother Mary Elizabeth Harvey b 1885, who married in 1907. They appear on the 1911 census. Is that right too? Are you sure? What actual evidence have you got, for example you dad's birth certificate, or at least his marriage certificate?

You see, people haven't found a perfect census record for William George Wellsman before his marriage. If he is the one b 1876 who appears on the 1881 and 1891 census with parents William G and Emily, and sisters Amelia and Emily, he swaps his names around, but that happens.

I'd just like you to be certain you're looking for the right family.

What made you ask about Gladys Wellsman, with parents William Stanley and Esther? Why do you think they are related to your family?

thank you you sylvia i think this is the wellsman i am looking for but making sure

can you please help me again, William George wellsman is uncle to George Parker George Parker, both lived windmill rd stepney
Parker was widowered and married again Tryring to find any childen

Geoge parker was witness to many wellsmans marriages i am trying find any connition to these, as he was connected to so many weddings in the wellsman familys, some one must have a wedding photo some where, where can i start to find one
thank you june