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Jooleh
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11 Nov 2010 00:18 |
There is Milton Barracks nearby - it's listed separately under the enumeration district of Gravesend. 17 pages of names with difficult writing to read! I think there's an easier way of pulling up the transcriptions but I can't remember now and I've run out of time. Will look again tomorrow unless someone else has already done it......................
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JaneyCanuck
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11 Nov 2010 00:11 |
The usual mistranscription is "u" when it's really an "n". Witness all my Mouck-s. The "n" was written much like a "u", in fact indistinguishably, often.
There isn't a Robert Daub* or Danb* birth to match in any case.
And there isn't a marriage that looks likely for Daub* or Danb* -- just this possible:
Marriages Dec 1870 ASTLE Emma Derby 7b 776 BASSENDINE Isabella Derby 7b 776 DALBY John Derby 7b 776 DAUBNEY Brion Derby 7b 776
if a remarriage perhaps.
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FannyByGaslight
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10 Nov 2010 23:52 |
It certainly looks like Daubeny on image Jools,doesnt it? Def DAU at the start anyway If Mother died young then he may not have known her name for sure ,but just thought it was Alice? It looks good with both boys on it anyway. More looking into needed,but certainly a contender...
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Jooleh
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10 Nov 2010 23:40 |
Hi all I'll just throw this one in the pot..................
Daubeney/Daubeny seems to be frequently mistranscribed as Danbury. This one looks like 'Daubeny' on the image and has mother as Isabella (not Alice) but she is down as married and occupation is given as soldier's wife. She and children all born as per Robert's birthplace:
1871 England Census Name: Robert Danbury Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Son Mother's name: Isabella R Danbury
Where born: Bainsbury, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Milton Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Gravesend Sub-registration district: Gravesend ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 73
Isabella R Danbury 35 Frederick Danbury 7 Robert Danbury 5 Ernest Danbury 3
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LadyKira
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9 Nov 2010 23:23 |
Ooh my internet just went funny. Got it back now. so birthplace is a little fuzzy-Middlesex or Essex. Parents names are fuzzy Date of birth a little fuzzy. Hmmm.
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Nov 2010 23:05 |
And that Robert Tait is in the 1881
Name: Robert Tait Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation: Son Father's name: Archibald Tait Mother's name: Susanah J. Tait Where born: St Marylebone Civil Parish: Willesden
We never even got that program on TV until 2 years ago.
Me, I'm just a search-engine fool, and I was wandering the net looking for those Moncks o' mine back before this millennium ...
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FannyByGaslight
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9 Nov 2010 22:58 |
Nope,started looking into mine well before that prog.. Still have a prob being 100% on one Ggrandfather,but 99% will do me
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MarieCeleste
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9 Nov 2010 22:55 |
Thanks again girls for looking at this, the ideas you're coming up with match the ones I've had on and off for a few years now.
I don't think anyone in the family had ever looked into his past - it's probably since certain TV programs started that we've started to ask these questions.
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FannyByGaslight
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9 Nov 2010 22:51 |
Name: Robert Tait Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1864 Baptism Date: 29 May 1864 Father's name: Archibald Tait Mother's name: Susanna Tait Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone Borough: Westminster
Plus at least 5 other children born to them on Baptisms,but no Ernest.
Searched for Tait as well I did.
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Nov 2010 22:49 |
I definitely considered that possibility early on -- and yet failed to find that particular Robert Tait somehow!
The other obvious possibility is that the mother was Daubeney and the real father was Tait (a common reason for a surname as a middle name) (or vice versa), and then the mother married someone else altogether and the child is hiding in the next census under the stepfather's surname ... etc etc.
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LadyKira
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9 Nov 2010 22:39 |
maybe?
Births Jun 1864 (>99%) TAIT Robert Marylebone 1a 474
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LadyKira
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9 Nov 2010 22:35 |
I have been wondering if perhaps his background was a little more complicated. I have seen examples of children annexing stepfathers name to their original name so maybe he was born Robert Tait and Daubeney added later?
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Renes
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9 Nov 2010 17:23 |
thanks Fans
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FannyByGaslight
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9 Nov 2010 17:04 |
Renes. That would make Alice 10/11 when Robert was born?
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Renes
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9 Nov 2010 07:49 |
MC - this maybe worth a look - it is submitted but could give some pointers
This is an extract from The Hawker Family Tree - they have details on Jane Coldricks parentage
Robert Tait DAUBENEY was born in 1865. He died in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Nbl, Eng. He married Jane COLDRICK on 19 Jun 1889 in Colchester, Ess, Eng.
Jane COLDRICK was born on 25 May 1868 in Newent, Gls, Eng. She died in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Nbl, Eng. She married Robert Tait DAUBENEY on 19 Jun 1889 in Colchester, Ess, Eng.
They had the following children:
M i Robert Tait DAUBENEY.
He had the following children:
M i Robert Tait DAUBENEY was born in 1865. M ii Ernest DAUBENEY.
Edit ::: Sorry but do not understand the last two entries - they appear to replicate Robert Tait Daubeney
Renes
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JaneyCanuck
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8 Nov 2010 21:55 |
Y'know what we do have a few of in Essex, I've finally got around to looking into, is Dobney-s. Plain old grey Dobbin Dobney-s.
A non-native bird here, but an interesting occupation, in 1871:
Name: John Dobney Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Soldier Where born: Quinborough, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Little Warley Town: Little Warley County/Island: Essex Registration district: Billericay Sub-registration district: Brentwood ED, institution, or vessel: Depot Foot Guards Barracks
only a thin smattering of BMDs in Essex, though, none at the right time / with the right names.
I'd have offered you a Drucilla Dobney mother and daughter in Stratford, but I believe that name is actually Debney. Or something.
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JaneyCanuck
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8 Nov 2010 21:33 |
Rara avis | Define Rara avis at Dictionary.com "strange bird," from rara, fem. of rarus "rare" + avis "bird." Latin pl. is raræ aves
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JaneyCanuck
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8 Nov 2010 21:21 |
One more eastender Daubney - in 1901:
Name: William Daubney Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Son-in-Law > Where born: Mile End, London, England Civil Parish: Barking County/Island: Essex
Walter Nash 52 Ellen Nash 48 Rosina Nicholls 28 (daughter) Annie Daubney 21 (daughter) Charles Nicholls 30 (son-in-law) William Daubney 25 (son-in-law) Hilda Nicholls 11 Months Florence Daubney 2 James Johnson 40 - boarders on down Arthur Fennell 22 William Drury 20 Walter Dodd 17
A real one:
Births Mar 1876 Daubney William Avis Mile End Old Town 1c 562
1881, no find; 1891:
Name: William Daubney Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Stepney, London, England Civil Parish: Whitechapel
George Cecil 25 Caroline Cecil 21 George Cecil 3 Caroline A Cecil 2 Alfred E Cecil 10/12 William Daubney 15
Marriages Jun 1897 Daubney William Avis Billericay 4a 694 Laurie Ethel Marian Billericay 4a 694 Nash Annie Louisa Billericay 4a 694
It could be interesting to check out the particulars on his birth and marriage certificates, because a Daub*ney in the east end is ... and you're going to have to prepare yourself, and forgive me ... a
rara Avis
indeed.
Stop me, I'm going to kill myself laughing here.
Howdaya like that for white space?
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MarieCeleste
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8 Nov 2010 20:57 |
Irene - yes, that's a lady who made contact with me and it was she who told me Ernest was Robert's brother.
Her and I are in touch from time to time and she's still got no further, either.
Got to go for a while ... back later.
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Renes
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8 Nov 2010 20:50 |
MC I found this on The Newham Family History site It appears he was a milkman
I am trying to trace the Daubeney family and wonder if anyone has any information about them Ernest Albert Daubeney b approx 1868 - a milkman who in the 1881 census appears to be in the West Ham Union Workhouse. I have been unable to trace his birth or find him in the 1871 or 1891 census Elizabeth Daubeney b 24/3/1868 - formerly Mansfield and born in Suffolk They married in 1891 (after the census) and had 7 children Eleanor Maud Daubeney 17/6/1892 Lucy Florence Daubeney 17/1/1896 - died age 37 of TB Ethel Irene Daubeney 1/12/1897 - 30/11/1898 Lily Winifred Daubeney 15/1/1900 Victor Robert 29/11/1901 Albert Edward 20/11/1907- 20/12/1912 - died of Diphtheria in Plaistow Fever Hospital Rita Madeline 4/11/1911 They lived at 18 Glenparke Road and moved to 18 Chaucer Road I
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