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Hi to everyone

Some time ago I contacted the records office for help tracing the parents of an Ancestor by the name of "JAMES ANDRON" born c1863 St Giles, Strand, London.
Through that contact I recieved many suggestions & leads to follow & I thank you all for your time & input. Unfortunately I am still hitting a brick wall so have decided to take a different line of enquiry. I have once again hit another wall which I hope you may be able to help me with.
I appologise in advance for the length of this enquiry but feel I need to set out my thinking so all can see where I am coming from.
James Andron aged 20yrs married Margaret Faregrave 1882 London (I have the certificate) his fathers name was "James Andron".
James born c1862 / 3 died in 1895 aged 32yrs (I have the certificate).
I have never been able to find a birth registration for or a London MET Baptism for James born c1862 / 3. If I could I would then be able to find out who his mother was to enable me to get beyond 1862 / 3.

The 1871 Census show's an Andron family:-
John Andron 40yrs born Ireland (Head)
Mary Andron 34yrs Born Ireland (Wife)
John Andron 15yrs
Michael Andron 10yrs
Jeremiah 4yrs
JAMES Andron 3yrs
Bridget Andron 2yrs
Mary Andron 2yrs
All the children born in Chiswick.

My heart tells me that this is the right family, my head tells me it can't be as the dates & place of birth of James are different. If it is the same James, being from Irish decent he would probably be a Catholic & that is why I cannot find him in the London MET records. So to try to prove one way or another I have changed tack in my research.

My James born c1882 / 3 had a son James who in the 1901 Census was aged 18yrs & described as "Nephew" & born in St Clements Danes, London was living with:-
Johannah Nicholson 51yrs (head)
Joshua Nicholson 18yrs (Son).
With this in mind, either Johanna was his "Aunt" or her husband was his "Uncle" therefore Johanna would have been an ANDRON or his uncle from an Andron decent.
I have found what I believe to be Joshua's Baptism record in the London MET records:-
Joshua William Nicholson, Baptised on 23rd June 1882 in the Parish of St Botolph, Aldersgate, London City.
Father William Nicholson.
Mother Johanna Nicholson.
From this I believe I have found Johanna & William's marriage certificate:-
July 6th 1874 in the Parish of St Bartholomew, Moor Lane, London City.
William Nicholson 27yrs a Batchelor married Johanna Thomas 24yrs a Spinster.
Williams father was also named William Nicholson , a Labourer & Johanna's father was a William Thomas, a Commercial Traveler.
That blew that theory out of the water.
I have not been able to find Joshua in the 1891 Census & not knowing where William was born makes searching for him on the Census very difficult, bearing in mind he was a Commercial traveler.

I have tride many different spellings of the names Andron, Nicholson & Thomas to see if I can find any marriage connections & have found what I belive to be a possible connection was back in 1812 where a Jane Nicholson married a James Andren or Andrew (depending on how you transcribe the writing) in the Parish of St Andrew, Holborn, London.
I think this is going to far back for James to be calling Johanna
his Aunt.

Any help or advise would be greatfully recieved, perhaps it's just a case of not seeing the wood for the tree's

Once again I appologise for the length of this appeal.

Found this marriage.....Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
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Anderson George St Giles 1b 913
>>>>>>Andron John Strand 1b 913
>>>>>>>LARNER Mary Ann St Giles 1b 913
NORTH Matthew St. Giles 1b 913
WOOD Alice St. Giles 1b 913


Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
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Andron James Strand 1b 657

Just thought I would show you these.

Regards Vera

Hi Vera

Many thanks for reply.
The James Andron birth 1b 657 is the son of John Andron marriage 1b 913.

It is the birth record for John who married in 1882 that is causing me the problem.

Kind regards
DVP

Hi Cathy

very many thanks for the info as I have not got around to looking at the 1911 Census.

My problem is getting to the bottom of why I cant find a birth record for john Andron born c1862/3

This is why I turned my attention to tracing the Johanna Nicholson family in the hope that I may connect with an Andron line as John was described as her Nephew

Kind regards
DVD

Just to recap.....you are trying to find the birth of John Andron born c1862/3 who married Mary in 1882..... not James...have I misread your thread.

Regards Vera

Have you thought that the Nicholsons may not be related to the Andron family, but to his mother's family?

Ozi

Hi Cathy

The Nicholson's are as much of a problem as the Androns as I can finf Johanna on the 1891 Census but can't find Joshua or his father.

It seems that all doors seem to be shut in me trying to find the Andron link to the elusive James born c1863.

My thinking was that if Johanna was his Aunt there must be a link to my Jamse's father. I was hopeing to find the link to the Andron family in the 1871 Census.

Kind regards
DVP

it may be his birth wasnt registered, many weren't so in 1875 in became an offence, with a fine, not to register a birth within 42 days, that time limit still applies now.

Hi Vera

I hope our lines are not crossed & I have not missread your reply or misslead you in any way.

My James born c1862/3 married Margaret A Faregrave on 18th June 1882. They had a son John / James born the same year of 1882.

Hope this helps

Hi Ozibird.

Yes I had given that some thought but this is where the research is a great problem.

Until I can find a birth record I am unable to find out who his mother is.
I have been tearing my hair out these past 9mths hence the continued brick wall which I cant find my way around.

Kind regards
DVP

Do you think this might give you a clue?

Births Sep 1855
Handrahan John Brentford 3a 59

Births Sep 1866
Handrahan Jeremiah Brentford 3a 73

Births Jun 1869
Handrahan Bridget Brentford 3a 82
Handrahan Mary Brentford 3a 82

Hi Shirley.m

This has always been at the back of my mind but the forever optimist in me says no ?? (fingers well crossed).

My main hope was that he lied about his age on his marriage certificate & the lie continued to his death.
If he had lied then the Andron family in the 1871 Census could well be his family.

Also the names of all of the 1871 family seem to have repeated throughout the Andron family that I have so far.

Kind regards
DVP

Hi Ozibird

Yes I had come across these before but the Bridget & Mary Handrahan that I found was on the 1881 census which found them living at 13 garrick Grove, London which I think was a Hospital / workhouse. It also said that they were born on Chiswick.

Not knowing my London Geography i'm not sure if Chiswick would be a part of Brentford.

I do admit that it definately looks promising with all of the names but where are the other children, Michael & James unless they weren't registered

Chiswick was part of Brentford indeed.

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/brentford.html

Hi T in Middx.

Many thanks for that & it now confirms that the Bridget & Mary that I found on the 1881 Census do belong to the Androns of 1871.

Unfortunately I am still unable to connect my James with the same family.

You said James died in 1895.. But that BMD says JOHN .. In the Census, you found listed as JOHN when you said you're looking for JAMES..?!

I'm lost!

Me too.

DVP, when you find a registration on freebmd.org, you can click on the registration district link and a new window will come up showing you the county it is in.

On this page is a link for more information. If you click on that a list of places covered by that district will come up in a separate window. Very useful to know.

Ozi

So its not just me.....
Regards Vera

Hi Tin Middx

Sorry for confusion, The Andron family to this day always refer to John & James being the same person which confuses me most of the time. trying to keep up with all replies even gets me confused as to who is who so let me recap & hopefully I will get them in the right order.

John Andron born c1862/3 Died 14th october 1895.
This John had a son James born 1882

John is the one that is causing me all of the grief & it is his birth record that I am unable to find.

Hope I have you on the right track as my head is in a spin at present.

sorry again for the confusion.

Kind regards
DVP