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review of the census
1841 says Thomas born 1791 Northamptonshire
1851 says Thomas born 1789 Thorney Cambridgeshire

It is the same man as the wife and children have the same names and ages.

was Thorney in Northamptonshire in 1841 ?
and was it in Northamptonshire at the time of Thomas's birth being 1789 or 1791?

Annette

maybe if I go back to the censuses I can find another estimated date of birth.
Annette

Hilary
Many thanks, that's a lot to think about.
Hope I can make the correct connection. Do you think he Thomas 1789 could have been baptized in a nearby place/church? or do I have the year wrong?
Annette

Here are the baptism records for Sutton's in Thorney, 1734-1807. I have grouped them with their parents to make it easier.
Marmaduke & Ann
Sept 25 1741 William
March 13 1742 Susanna
June 3 1745 John
July 31 1748 Peter
Jan 14 1752 Robert
Jan 14 1752 Mary These two are twins.
Mar 9 1755 Robert
Apr 26 1757 James
July 22 1759 THOMAS

Thomas & Keziah
Sept 16 1766 John
Nov 21 1768 THOMAS
Mar 15 1774 Francis

Peter & Mary
June 4 1775 Elizabeth
April 8 1777 Ann
Dec 2 1778 Sarah
Sept 10 1782 Mary
Dec23 1783 Joseph
Mar 26 1784 Jane


Thomas & Ann
Jan 24 1790 Susanna
Nov 25 1791 Ann
Dec24 1793 John
Oct 23 1796 James
Feb 10 1799 James
June 6 1802 William
Nov 25 1804 Robert
Aug 2 1807 Martha


James & Mary
Nov 8 1785 William
May 28 1787 John
Sept 2 1792 James
Sept 2 1792 Peter

Can't find a Thomas baptised 1789
Not sure this helps but if anyone wants a look up in Thorney please ask
Hilary

Ann's name in Parish Records is Walton (1819)
Will add baptisms later on.
Hilary

Hi, I now have the parish records of Thorney. Listed below are the Sutton marriages for years 1740-1799
5.10.1740 Sutton Marmaduke
Peirson Ann
10.11.1773 Hill Joseph wdr. otp.
Sutton Susanna sp. otp
30.3.1778 Brakes Jacob bac. of St John Baptist, Peterborough
Sutton Sarahsp. otp
10.7.1781 Sutton Peter wdr. otp
Shaw Mary sp. otp
12.5.1783 Sutton William bac. otp
Gibbons Maria sp. otp

12.10.1784 Sutton James bac otp
Hewles Mary (x)sp. otp
14.10.1788 Sutton Thomas (x) bac. otp
Norton Ann (x)sp. otp
8.9.1789 Sutton Joseph wdr. St John Baptist, Peterborough
Morris Mary of age sp. otp
Hilary

thanks Hilary you are amazing to go to all that trouble for me
Annette

JUlia
William b 1823
oh yes, I remember getting a pm from one of my hot matches
to say this William was the son of a single mother, Elizabeth Sutton who later went on to marry a Mr Johnson.
I left him there on my tree Just in case his father was a Sutton too!
sometimes happens ?
Annette

Good morning all, but I guess all you homeland people are snug in bed.

after a week of cold rain we had a very frosty day, and finally I see the sun again. My youngest son is doing his final exams this week so I am busy helping him. But I am so thankful that you are searching on my behalf, and yours too I see!
Thats Great.
Over the last 2 days I have been in contact with Peterborough District Family history society and they sent me a spreadsheet of Suttons, a few are on my line, but I knew of these.
then suggested I contact Mr Searle who has a link in Cambridgeshire. He kindly sent me this morning images of the 1861 and 1871 census where my man is living in Newborough. I had already seen these in my search too. so I asked mentioned that I wanted to find Thomas parents and siblings in Thorney. Thats as far as I have got today. I heard of a contact in Qld who may know of Sutton in Thorney. So I want to phone her later today.
Annette

Annette, Hi, I have been looking into this on and off all day. The William Sutton you have in your tree born 1823, is not the brother of Thomas born 1789. According to the IGI site, he belongs to an Elizabeth Sutton. No father is given.
Speak soon
Julia in Derbyshire

Reckon you could be right - your OH and my Dad s were almost the same - almost - and the coal miners connections

Irene in Spain

www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html


The above link will take you to the Cambridgeshire Family History Society online database, Baptisms and Burials are there from 1801 - 1837, although too late for Thomas, there could be siblings,also a possible Burial for his mother Ann...

Could be his father Thomas in 1841...


census search results 1841 address search redefine current search
Name Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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SUTTON, Thomas M 82 1759 Cambridgeshire VIEW
SIMMS, John M 39 1802 Cambridgeshire VIEW
SIMMS, Martha F 33 1808 Cambridgeshire VIEW
SIMMS, Julia F 6 1835 Cambridgeshire VIEW
SIMMS, Frederick M 1 1840 Cambridgeshire VIEW
ALLEN, Robert M 29 1812 VIEW
THOMPSON, Thomas M 20 1821 Cambridgeshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
78 Book/Folio:
9 Page:
13

Registration District:
Whittlesea Sub District:
Thorney Abbey Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Thorney Municipal Borough:
Address:
Thorney County:
Cambridgeshire

Cambridge Records Office might be able to help...


Contacts
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Box RES 1009
Shire Hall
Castle Hill
Cambridge
CB3 0AP
Tel: 01223 699399
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Chris :)

Irene, I feel we may end up being related LOL
From the 1800's mine too were from Whittlesey. Maybe we need a 'heads together', as I have come across alot of Whittlesey 'names' whilst doing my research.
All the Best
Julia in Derbyshire

Hi All

I too have family connections in Coates - Whittlesey - area

All these villages are very close - and I understand were all part of the Duke of Bedfordshire s estate

Am writing this to add to my threads- and will have a root about for all the names mentioned

Irene in Spain

Samamtha, Good Morning. Thanks for putting up that address, and I will contact them. I have a Thorney interest through the (Le) Fevre families of Thorney, which twice married into my own family, and whose pedigrees I have.
However, although I am almost sure my main family were not from Thorney, and were not Huguenots, I suppose there is always a possibility. I have my family back to a mention in a will in Eye in 1744, and then zilch, nothing any further back. So infuriating. I feel if I could crack this one nut, I would be able to trace them further back. Oh Happy Days
All the Best
Julia in Derbyshire

Hi
I also have past connections to Thorney. I was sent a family tree going right back to1550 by the Thorney Heritage Museum, The Tankyard, Station Road
Thorney
PE6 0QE

It might be worth contacting them.
Good luck
SB

As long as the Family History man is there I will jot down all Sutton's around that time, marriages & baptisms.
Hilary

Good Morning/Afternoon Annette, I have read your tree, and it is very interesting. I have also seen another tree from a descendant of one of the other children of Thomas b 1789. This person also cannot get back before this time to find his parents. (Much the same with my tree).
However, I have been looking on the IGI, and played about with the Batch Nos. I too have come up with the Thomas who married Ann Norton in 1788, and date wise, it would look as if these are his parents, but I have only found daughters of this marriage, up to now.
However, I have also found a Peter, married to a Mary Beale in 1774. So far, I have only found daughters of this marriage also, and no sons. But, the names of these daughters, are the same as some of the daughters of your Thomas. Either they were fashionable names of the times, or, they could be the names of his own sisters, if I could link your Thomas as a child of this family.
I have also been able to find a Marmaduke Sutton who married an Ann Pierson in 1740. There again, I have only found daughters. There seems to be either a few years missing from the IGI, or I have not found the ' missing ' persons yet. I hope this all makes sense.
I would like to see what Hilary's friend comes up with, it could make very interesting reading. Who knows, I might ask her to contact him regards my own brick wall.
Meanwhile, I will keep looking and see what I can find.
All the Best
Julia in Derbyshire

Hi Moonbi, I can hopefully help you tomorrow, I live in Cambridgeshire & a Family History man goes to our local library on Tuesdays. He has all the Cambs Records on microfiche. I;ll go & look for you.
Hilary

Julia
did you get to look at my tree?

Annette