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thorney museum's notes say that Marmaduke was a cottager and gardener in Great Towers Fen
Anyone know where that is in relation to Thorney?

yes I should be in bed its past 930pm here

just cant sleep another glass of red might help.

Ooh Moonbi, you must be up late burning the midnight oil. Not quite 10.30 in the morning here.
Good Luck with Northants Exchange.
Julia in Derbyshire

We worked out how to read the Thorney museum files and now I am working through it. but it looks like they havnt worked out about Thomas parents either.
I have just been wondering If thomas parents Jas and Mary.
Could Jas mean Joseph?
Im really hoping that lady from Look up Exchange can help.

Annette

Good morning, another cold one again with snow in the nearby mountains.
today I refer to the Post by Samantha (Page 1 of this thread)
today I had a reply from the Thorney heritage Museum Curator, who has emailed a pdf of the Thorney Sutton family. which was compiled quite a while ago. I have to try to convert it to readable Mac. so have to fiddle and ask my Son.
His last exam today, Legal Studies. Then he has to do it all again in October for the Finals. !!!
Let you know what I come up with.
Hilary I put a request on the Northants look up exchange.
await reply
Annette

Hi Annette & Julia, sorry I have'nt been about but have had my neice's 2 children last few days, phew! gone home now, peace reigns again, bliss. Pleased to see you have found Thomas's baptism, think you need to find out if there was another James & Mary married in Eye. It does look like he would fit in with James & Mary married in Thorney. If you Google Northamptonshire Look up Exchange, there is someone with marriage parish records of Eye, they will look up for you. I think you need to eliminate at least. Why did Thomas have his children baptised in Eye? The church in Newborough was'nt built untill 1830, maybe he did'nt like the new one. The old road from Newborough to Eye is still there but now new roads have been built over near Eye, it would have been easy to get to Eye, Thorney, (if Thomas was born there) was alot further to get to. I am going to be going through Newborough very soon, will go & have a look at the graves, armed with camera.
Hilary x

Thats right, we couldn't find them in the IGI, that's why Hilary asked the Thorney historian to look into the Thorney parish records.
She saw there James and Mary's family,
But I looked in Eye records and found Thomas saying his parents are Jas and Mary.
and it fits the missing birth year for James and Mary's family.
Sources:
1. Free reg sub parish registers EYE
2. Thorney marriage records, same as Hilary found with her family historian,
3. copy from the Qld lady that I spoke with who sent me her "word" file that basically confirmed all that Hilary had posted.

as I mentioned that record of Thomas baptism 8 Nov 1789 is in the free reg parish registers Eye, {earlier post} recording his parents as Jas and Mary.

Annette

Hi Moonbi, I am just about to go off the boards,, for the day, and I suppose you will not be long before you are coming on.
Apart from the marriage of Marmaduke, which I posted before, I cannot find any of the new people that you have just posted, in the IGI. Are you looking at any other records????., which may be of interest to me, and Michael*.
Speaks tomorrow.
Julia in Derbyshire

LOL

now what can I do for you ladies?
annette

Ladies
Can I get excited yet?
if Thomas is this James' son then James is Marmaduke's son. Marmaduke born and Buried Thorney Abbey.

Annette

Hilary
going back to your finds in thorney marriage records where you have James Sutton and Mary Hewles married 14 October 1784.

Then under baptisms you have children of these parents
James and Mary
William 1785
John 1787
James 1792
and Peter 1792 twins

now from what I saw in Eye {see previous post} I want to add Thomas 1789. Is this correct?

Annette

Hi
three heads are definately better than one!
And I needed to have an EYE for the details before getting caught on the THORNEYS!!!
I think I may have gone up a level because of your suggestions.
Have been looking about Eye Northamptonshire just now and tried Genuki, and the 1841 census, then decided to try FreeBMD sub catergory Free Reg Parish registers. there are options to search Births, marriages and death/burials.
Using the Sutton surname, county Northamptonshire, Place Eye
I found 5 burials, 3 baptisms, and 4 marriages all in St Matthews Eye. BUT one of the baptisms is a Thomas Sutton baptized 8 Nov 1789 !!!! his parents JAS and mother Mary. {file No. 107}
Do you think this is him??
Does JAS stand for James?
any way Im going to put these parents up on my tree until I can disprove them.
Going to check it against Family search IGI

Annette

julia
yes with my son's interest in photography
I know that the bright light from photocopy machine will break down the ink or dye that the document is written with.
So that it will be even more faded and illegible.
Annette

Good Morning Moonbi from a very wet, miserable, but not cold Derbyshire.
Those missing years you mention in the Eye records, are consistent with the information I received from the Northants Archivist. Would you believe it, that is the sort of luck I have. Indeed, one document I asked for a copy of, I was told was in too delicate a condition to even photocopy.
I am trying to trace the birth of a person who was old enough to marry at St. John's Baptist in 1739. I have wondered how old, or young as the case may be, a person had to be to be married in 1739, so that I could try and have a guestimate at her DOB.
You mention the fact that some of the cemetary graves were removed to make way for a highway. The land that my rellie first had in 1744,I believe is now a holiday caravan park.
My interest in the Huguenots, and Thorney, stems from the fact that the (Le)Fevre family twice married into my family, albiet about 50/60 years apart. I was trying to trace if they were related to each other. A very kind person on here sent me lists of his research into this family, so I have a pretty concise history to hand.
Keep researching, and keep posting on here. Something may just turn up, either here or at your end.
All the best
Julia in Derbyshire

julia
i found this on google books

"Register of Baptisms of the French protestant refugees settled at Thorney Cambridgeshire 1654- 1727."

Editor Henry Peet 1969 138 pages
Kraus reprint
Volume 17 of The Publications of the Huguenot Society of London.
Original from University of Virginia.
Digitized 19 th Dec 2008
Subjects :Huguenots
Reference / genealogy
Registers of births, etc

Annette

Hi Julia and Hilary,
yesterday I spent some time in my town library while waiting for my son to do his exam.
here are my notes:
Eye 1870 -72 Described by John Marius, "Imperial Gazeteer of England and Wales" A parish in Peterborough district, Northampton.
Some places near Eye: {these are the ones I have come across in my family records} Newborough, Peakirk, Borough Fen.

Eye parish register is in Northants Record Office.
Eye (missing years 1702 -11; 1713, 1714, 1716, 1718)

lt looks like we have only years 1712, 1715, 1717.

www.northamptonshire.gov.ul/Community/record/Parregs.html#top

I also found a Thomas Sutton 1532 -1611 as Founder of the Charter House. but I think thats London?
Then I looked in Cyndi's List for Northampton.

UK Cemetery Listings
www.northants-fhs.org
Year range
Eye 1431 listings 1813 - 1897
Newborough 1056 listings 1831- 1942

From roots chat forum about Eye cemetery I read from a post that " Most Ag.Labs do not have stone monuments. A record in the burial register is all we can hope for"
and some mention of the cemetery graves being moved to make way for a highway, and an overpass over a part of the cemetery.

Then I looked at maps for St Martins Road PE6,UK
St martins road comes off Thorney road which is parallel to Soke Road and MiddleRoad.
St Martins road is parallel itself with Gunton's road which seems to be the main road in Newborough.
Hilary if you do go to Eye cemetery, you may not even see a grave marker.

Annette

Good Morning Hilary and Moonbi,
I too have an interest in all of this, because my rellies also came from Eye, Dogsthorpe and Paston, and according to a will of 1752, the one rellie I am trying to trace, and am having a long standing difficulty with, owned land and property in Eye. A century later, they owned above 100 acres around Dogsthorpe and Eastfield.
However, as a regular e-mailer/enquirer at the Northants and Peterborough Archives,( I think I am on the staff Christmas party list), I was told that the records for this particular period for Eye, had ' not stood the passage of time', meaning there was nothing to transcribe for this period.
This bit is abit difficult to describe. Thorney had its own Cathedral, and the Huguenot's, in particular, were hatched, matched and despatched there. As to the villages surrounding this area, eg. Eye, Dogsthorpe,Paston and Newborough etc, although it may say in the IGI that people were christened at St. John's Baptist, Peterborough, they were, in all probability, christened in their own villages, as opposed to travelling to Peterborough itself, because these villages came under the diocese of St. John's, and all the records, that were available, were sent to there.
For my part, I would dearly love these records to be available, then I could get past 1744, where my 'lost' rellie was mentioned in a land transaction, passing land bequeathed to his wife of that time, in Eye, from her dead father, to himself. This became the basis, of my family ' fortune '.
However, this land transaction, is the earliest mention of my rellie, and I would dearly love to find his DOB, so that a can go further backwards.
I have put this up, as there may be something in it to help Annette.
Many Thanks
Julia in Derbyshire

Morning, ladies
Family search IGI Scource Info Batch 1013348
Family of same parents search
Thomas Sutton and Ann Walton
7 children all christened EYE

{but fails to mention twins Isaac and Daniel born 1837 or 1838.}

and Thomas died July/Aug/ Sept 1877 aged 88
death record no. 3b. 138 Newborough/ Peterbro' district.
Ann died Oct/Nov/Dec 1878 record no. 3b. 154

The 1871 census {last known living}

Thomas Sutton Head age 81 Cottager born Cambridgeshire Thorney
Ann wife 81 born Lincolnshire Crowland
Daniel son 34 Ag Lab born Northamptonshire Newborough

places them at St Martin Road. but not sure if this is in Newborough.

but the family I want to go beyond, This Thomas parents? who is his father, mother and siblings? I will crack this ! so now I go look in Eye.
why do you think his family was christened at Eye, himself born Thorney, Cambs?

yes I did print off an old map of the area a while ago but was unable to figure out the boundaries for the different shires etc.
one has to be a British historian I think.
its a bit like around here, they want to keep changing the boundaries in order to get the most land taxes.
Annette

Hi Moonbi, I would'nt mind betting he came from Eye, this is very close to Thorney. Eye used to be in Northants back then. He may have lived near Thorney. This was a very rural area in those days & most workers were ag labs. What are the adresses for both census. Mind it could be a cottage in the fens. I was born in Dogsthorpe & places like Eye, Newborough, Paston were my playground, Eye was a seperate village then but built up & linked to Peterborough now. I wonder if he is buried in Newborough, I go through there sometimes, maybe I will dig around the graves. If I get time I will have a look at Eye cemetery as well to see if there are any Suttons. Might take me 2 or 3 weeks to get there. I did ask the family history man yesterday about Eye & he did'nt think the parish records had been transcribed so means someone looking at Northants Record Office.If you ask anyone to look for you make sure you get the right Eye as there is another Eye in Suffolk.
Hilary x

Morning Moonbi, just seen this last post of yours. Thorney is actually in Cambs. But, and it is a big but, I have seen it as being in Northants. Indeed, I have seen Newborough and Eye, as being variously in Lincolnshire, Northants and Cambs. If you look on a map, you will find Thorney on a road called the A47, which runs through an area called the Bedford Levels, and passes through Eye, (probably its main street) and goes to Guyhirn. These were the lands of the Dukes of Bedford.
Hope this helps a little.
Julia in Derbyshire

PS. Find a map with Peterborough on it. It will be quite promonently printed, and go from there.