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Glynis
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13 Aug 2010 10:48 |
There are 2 deaths listed for Elizabeth Kerridge in 1841 which could be possibles. Neither give a DOB unfortunately. Maldon 4th qtr 12, 93 Tendring 3rd qtr 12, 15(79) My aunt seems to think Sarah was born in 1841. Censuses have her as 1842 but that could be the time of year. Maybe Elizabeth died in childbirth. What do you think?
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Glynis
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13 Aug 2010 10:02 |
I think I see where you are going with this now JaneyCanuck. Give me a while to search everything and catch up. Glynis.
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Glynis
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13 Aug 2010 09:40 |
Sorry JaneyCanuck, Just noticed you mentioned me not having a tree here. Sarah is actually connected by marriage to my aunt who is struggling with her husband's side of the tree. Hence she is a bit far removed to have on my own tree yet. She has helped me a lot with info for my tree so I was anxious to help her as much as I can. I have told her how great the Community here on GR is and how they have helped me before and she was very keen that I give it a try for Sarah. I was right...you are very good. Glynis.
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13 Aug 2010 09:32 |
Blimey, Just turned on my computer to find you have been very busy JaneyCanuck. Trying to get my head around it all. I have to look it all up and work out what you are saying. I really am very appreciative of your effort and theory. You have worked very hard on this and I want to do your help justice. Glynis.
P.S. Don't you guys ever sleep?
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patchem
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13 Aug 2010 06:55 |
Karidge 1842 is Selina: Births Jun 1842 KARIDGE Selina Chelmsford 12 33
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Aug 2010 02:51 |
Oooh yes. Also submitted, but pretty darned specific:
ELIZABETH MECKLENBURGH Birth: 20 OCT 1824 Christening: 14 NOV 1824 Mayland, Essex, England Father: MATTHIAS MECKLENBURGH Mother: ELIZABETH
Prize?
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13 Aug 2010 02:20 |
Hm, what are the chances?
Marriage to Elizabeth Mecklenburgh:
Name: Henry Kanidge Year of Registration: 1842 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Maldon (1837-1972) County: Essex Volume: 12 Page: 239
(the family was spelled Karridge in 1841 in Purleigh)
A birth:
Name: Karidge Year of Registration: 1842 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Chelmsford County: Essex Volume: 12 Page: 33
(you move away from home, nobody can spell your name for you ... and he goes into business and settles on Kerridge)
Now, someone here at GR does have
Sarah Kerridge 1838 purleigh essex?
in his tree ... and a couple of people have Henry Kerridge 1819/1821 Purleigh ...
When I search for Mecklenburgh born in Purleigh I get Sarah 1842 in the same tree as mary 1838. You don't seem to have a tree here?
And I also get Elizabeth 1824 born in Mayland, Essex. She's in the tree of the same person as one of the Henry Kerridge 1819s.
So I think I sussed the true names in that 1842 marriage.
Three people have Sarah Mecklenburgh born 1842 in "Purley Surrey", Essex, and Purleigh Essex.
One of those people also has Henry Kerridge.
What are the odds of the connection being other than I've hypothesized?
Has somebody figured it out before me?? ;)
Aargh. Submitted record in the IGI. I'm so smart I never think to do the obvious first:
ELIZABETH MECKLENBURGH Spouse: HENRY KARRIDGE Marriage: 24 JUN 1842 Purleigh, Essex, England
I really do think I may be on to something ...
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Aug 2010 02:02 |
So here's my theory.
The name was Harridge. There are Harridges in Maldon reg dist.
A death
Name: Elizabeth Harridge Year of Registration: 1844 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Richmond Sry County: Surrey Volume: 4 Page: 291
A remarriage (my guess at the couple, out of 8 names on the page)
Marriages Jun 1844 Harridge Henry Lambeth 4 227 Jones Elizabeth Lambeth 4 227
1851
Name: Henry Harridge Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth >> Where born: Essex, England Civil parish: St George The Martyr County/Island: Middlesex
Henry Harridge 28 - a tailor Elizabeth Harridge 25 - born London Alfred Harridge 4 Elizabeth Harridge 3 Hennetta Harridge 2 Mo - it's Henrietta of course (demonstrating the r/n problem!)
And Sarah, daughter of first wife Elizabeth, is given back to her Mecklenburgh grandparents.
Of course, it's not like I've found a birth to match, but the mistranscriptions are rife.
For instance, in 1861 we have ...
Name: Henry Kerridge Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1817 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Purleigh, Essex, England Civil parish: Chelmsford
Henry Kerridge 44 - widower, greengrocer Susan Kerridge 18 - all born Purleigh Emma Kerridge 15 Edward Kerridge 12 Henry Kerridge 16 Eliza A Herridge 28 - housekeeper, born Norfolk
He's plainly written Kerridge, she's Herridge. Coincidence ...
Maybe I like him better!
Here they are in 1851 in Chelmsford:
Henry Kerridge 22 - greengrocer, born Purleigh c1829, married - ? (age has to be an error) Susan Kerridge 6 Henry Kerridge 5 Emma Kerridge 4 Edward Kerridge 3 Sarah Somebers 23 - Saunders, visitor Joseph Kerridge 68
and here he is in 1841 in Purleigh:
Joseph Karridge 60 Sarah Karridge 55 Henry Karridge 20 Elijah Karridge 15
Yes indeed. He is my man. He married an Elizabeth Mecklenburgh in 1842.
Your Mecklenburgs are in District 6, Purleigh, page 17, in 1841.
Henry Karridge is in District 6, Purleigh, page 19, in 1841.
This is my theory.
I am often right. ;)
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Aug 2010 01:12 |
Welcome. Still pondering here.
We have a possibly interesting marriage in 1842:
Henry Kanidge 1842 Maldon (1837-1972) Essex Elizabeth Mecklenburgh 1842 Maldon (1837-1972) Essex
At least there are only two peopleo on the page; but Kanidge?
Maldon covers Purleigh, where your Mecklenburghs were in 1841, and where Sarah is reported in 1851 to have been born. I don't see that Elizabeth there anywhere. She could conceivably (ha ha, I just can't avoid that one) be a child of Elizabeth c1803. Eldest daughter, mother's name, and all that.
The GRO index was typed up from the original at some point. It does say Kanidge. I'm not buying that.
In 1851 there's a widower from Suffolk, Robert Kerridge, visiting in Colchester St James, Essex, with a 7-yr-old daughter Rosena who is transcribed at Ancestry as Kenidge, despite being right below her father, who is more plainly Kerridge. One possibility for the name. There's no other occurrence of Kanidge in the GRO index.
I'm just wondering whether that might be Sarah's mother. Something happened, Sarah was reared by grandparents ...
edit - my bet for the name would be Harridge, commonly mistranscribed as Hanidge, I thik ... for what it's worth. ;)
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Glynis
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13 Aug 2010 00:58 |
I hadn't noticed that JaneyCanuck. It wasn't me. You are right. It could be worth contacting Kate. Many thanks for pointing that out.
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Aug 2010 00:51 |
Glynis, do you know the person who has corrected all the names in the 1841 household, from Micklenburgh to Mecklenburgh?
People who do searches here usually neglect to point these things out (or have searched at another site that doesn't have the wealth of user-contributed content Ancestry has).
The correction was made on 08/01/2010, which I think is US-ese for August 1. Wasn't you, was it? ;) A person named Kate. She can be contacted through the Ancestry system. If she's not someone you know, you never know, she might have info.
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Glynis
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13 Aug 2010 00:50 |
Thanks JaneyCanuck, Will give your idea a go....maybe tomorrow when I am not falling asleep at my computer after a long day. I am grateful for the advice about searches. Glynis.
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Aug 2010 00:45 |
... Unless FreeBMD somehow skipped it in the transcribing.
You can go there or to Ancestry and browse the pages of the GRO index. I've done it, some years ago, when the period I wanted wasn't transcribed.
If you search at Ancestry for any surname Meck* in 1842, you'll find some for each quarter of the year. Go to the image and see whether there's a Sarah who didn't get transcribed. Do the same for 1841 and 1842. Do the same for Mick*.
If there's no Sarah Meck* in any quarter of 1841, 1842, 1843, then either her birth wasn't registered or it was registered in another surname. Or the name got badly mistranscribed into the GRO index and came out as something other than Mick* or Meck*.
Again: birth registrations are found in only one place, the GRO index. If it isn't there, it isn't elusive, it isn't there.
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Glynis
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13 Aug 2010 00:43 |
Thank you JaneyCanuck, You probably speak the truth, but I thought it worth seeing if anyone else could find what I had failed to find myself. Also, different people have subscriptions with different websites so you never know whether a different search will turn up a clue.
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Glynis
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13 Aug 2010 00:36 |
Of course, Ann. Many little snippets appear through others doing the various searches through different sources. Your searches sent me scurrying to check the references and I am very appreciative of everyone's efforts. My main search though, as I said, is still the birth of Sarah 1841 I am puzzled why I cannot find a birth record for Sarah and it is always finding that elusive record that gives ultimate satisfaction. Thank you everyone so far.
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JaneyCanuck
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13 Aug 2010 00:30 |
Who knows, eh, Ann o' GG? Glynis did say she'd found her in censuses, though. And you did go off on your usual hunt for things that look interesting but don't answer the question! ;)
You can't trace a birth record that doesn't exist. If it exists, it's in the GRO index. Searching for surname M*burgh and M*burg 1841 +/- 2 years turns up loads of Mecklenburghs and variants in Essex and elsewhere (Norfolk/Suffolk mainly), but no Sarah.
So her birth wasn't registered, or something else. Elizabeth and Matthias were old enough to have a child whose child she could have been, registered under another surname. Anything's possible. But there is no birth record. So no one will find it.
There might be a baptism record. For that, you'd have to access the appropriate parish records.
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13 Aug 2010 00:14 |
well is anything that has been found of any use to you?
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Glynis
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12 Aug 2010 23:46 |
It's a humdinger of a name for being misspelt, I know. Early census records are useful but that birth record c. 1841 is still elusive.
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12 Aug 2010 23:45 |
SAMUEL MECKLENBURGH Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 26 FEB 1814 Christening: 10 APR 1814 East Bergholt, Suffolk, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOHN MECKLENBURGH Family Mother: ELISABETH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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12 Aug 2010 23:45 |
1841 England Census about Matthias Micklenburgh Name: Matthias Micklenburgh [Matthias Mecklenburgh] Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Gender: Male Where born: Essex, England Civil parish: Purleigh Hundred: Dengie County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Maldon Sub-registration district: Maldon Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizath Micklenburgh 35 Matthias Micklenburgh 14 Samuel Micklenburgh 11 Maria Micklenburgh 8 William Micklenburgh 6 Mary Ann Micklenburgh 3
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