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Glynis, do you know the person who has corrected all the names in the 1841 household, from Micklenburgh to Mecklenburgh?

People who do searches here usually neglect to point these things out (or have searched at another site that doesn't have the wealth of user-contributed content Ancestry has).

The correction was made on 08/01/2010, which I think is US-ese for August 1. Wasn't you, was it? ;) A person named Kate. She can be contacted through the Ancestry system. If she's not someone you know, you never know, she might have info.

I hadn't noticed that JaneyCanuck.
It wasn't me.
You are right. It could be worth contacting Kate.
Many thanks for pointing that out.

Welcome. Still pondering here.

We have a possibly interesting marriage in 1842:

Henry Kanidge 1842 Maldon (1837-1972) Essex
Elizabeth Mecklenburgh 1842 Maldon (1837-1972) Essex

At least there are only two peopleo on the page; but Kanidge?

Maldon covers Purleigh, where your Mecklenburghs were in 1841, and where Sarah is reported in 1851 to have been born. I don't see that Elizabeth there anywhere. She could conceivably (ha ha, I just can't avoid that one) be a child of Elizabeth c1803. Eldest daughter, mother's name, and all that.

The GRO index was typed up from the original at some point. It does say Kanidge. I'm not buying that.

In 1851 there's a widower from Suffolk, Robert Kerridge, visiting in Colchester St James, Essex, with a 7-yr-old daughter Rosena who is transcribed at Ancestry as Kenidge, despite being right below her father, who is more plainly Kerridge. One possibility for the name. There's no other occurrence of Kanidge in the GRO index.

I'm just wondering whether that might be Sarah's mother. Something happened, Sarah was reared by grandparents ...



edit - my bet for the name would be Harridge, commonly mistranscribed as Hanidge, I thik ... for what it's worth. ;)

So here's my theory.

The name was Harridge. There are Harridges in Maldon reg dist.


A death

Name: Elizabeth Harridge
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Richmond Sry
County: Surrey
Volume: 4
Page: 291


A remarriage (my guess at the couple, out of 8 names on the page)

Marriages Jun 1844
Harridge Henry Lambeth 4 227
Jones Elizabeth Lambeth 4 227


1851

Name: Henry Harridge
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
>> Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: St George The Martyr
County/Island: Middlesex

Henry Harridge 28 - a tailor
Elizabeth Harridge 25 - born London
Alfred Harridge 4
Elizabeth Harridge 3
Hennetta Harridge 2 Mo - it's Henrietta of course (demonstrating the r/n problem!)


And Sarah, daughter of first wife Elizabeth, is given back to her Mecklenburgh grandparents.


Of course, it's not like I've found a birth to match, but the mistranscriptions are rife.


For instance, in 1861 we have ...

Name: Henry Kerridge
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Purleigh, Essex, England

Civil parish: Chelmsford

Henry Kerridge 44 - widower, greengrocer
Susan Kerridge 18 - all born Purleigh
Emma Kerridge 15
Edward Kerridge 12
Henry Kerridge 16
Eliza A Herridge 28 - housekeeper, born Norfolk

He's plainly written Kerridge, she's Herridge. Coincidence ...

Maybe I like him better!


Here they are in 1851 in Chelmsford:

Henry Kerridge 22 - greengrocer, born Purleigh c1829, married - ? (age has to be an error)
Susan Kerridge 6
Henry Kerridge 5
Emma Kerridge 4
Edward Kerridge 3
Sarah Somebers 23 - Saunders, visitor
Joseph Kerridge 68


and here he is in 1841 in Purleigh:

Joseph Karridge 60
Sarah Karridge 55
Henry Karridge 20
Elijah Karridge 15


Yes indeed. He is my man. He married an Elizabeth Mecklenburgh in 1842.


Your Mecklenburgs are in District 6, Purleigh, page 17, in 1841.

Henry Karridge is in District 6, Purleigh, page 19, in 1841.


This is my theory.

I am often right. ;)

Hm, what are the chances?


Marriage to Elizabeth Mecklenburgh:

Name: Henry Kanidge
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Maldon (1837-1972)
County: Essex
Volume: 12
Page: 239

(the family was spelled Karridge in 1841 in Purleigh)


A birth:

Name: Karidge
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chelmsford
County: Essex
Volume: 12
Page: 33

(you move away from home, nobody can spell your name for you ... and he goes into business and settles on Kerridge)



Now, someone here at GR does have

Sarah Kerridge
1838
purleigh essex?

in his tree ... and a couple of people have Henry Kerridge 1819/1821 Purleigh ...


When I search for Mecklenburgh born in Purleigh I get Sarah 1842 in the same tree as mary 1838. You don't seem to have a tree here?

And I also get Elizabeth 1824 born in Mayland, Essex. She's in the tree of the same person as one of the Henry Kerridge 1819s.

So I think I sussed the true names in that 1842 marriage.

Three people have Sarah Mecklenburgh born 1842 in "Purley Surrey", Essex, and Purleigh Essex.

One of those people also has Henry Kerridge.

What are the odds of the connection being other than I've hypothesized?

Has somebody figured it out before me?? ;)

Aargh. Submitted record in the IGI. I'm so smart I never think to do the obvious first:

ELIZABETH MECKLENBURGH
Spouse: HENRY KARRIDGE
Marriage: 24 JUN 1842 Purleigh, Essex, England


I really do think I may be on to something ...

Oooh yes. Also submitted, but pretty darned specific:

ELIZABETH MECKLENBURGH
Birth: 20 OCT 1824
Christening: 14 NOV 1824 Mayland, Essex, England
Father: MATTHIAS MECKLENBURGH
Mother: ELIZABETH


Prize?

Karidge 1842 is Selina:
Births Jun 1842
KARIDGE Selina Chelmsford 12 33

Blimey,
Just turned on my computer to find you have been very busy JaneyCanuck. Trying to get my head around it all.
I have to look it all up and work out what you are saying.
I really am very appreciative of your effort and theory. You have worked very hard on this and I want to do your help justice.
Glynis.

P.S. Don't you guys ever sleep?

Sorry JaneyCanuck,
Just noticed you mentioned me not having a tree here.
Sarah is actually connected by marriage to my aunt who is struggling with her husband's side of the tree. Hence she is a bit far removed to have on my own tree yet.
She has helped me a lot with info for my tree so I was anxious to help her as much as I can.
I have told her how great the Community here on GR is and how they have helped me before and she was very keen that I give it a try for Sarah.
I was right...you are very good.
Glynis.

I think I see where you are going with this now JaneyCanuck.
Give me a while to search everything and catch up.
Glynis.

There are 2 deaths listed for Elizabeth Kerridge in 1841 which could be possibles. Neither give a DOB unfortunately.
Maldon 4th qtr 12, 93
Tendring 3rd qtr 12, 15(79)
My aunt seems to think Sarah was born in 1841. Censuses have her as 1842 but that could be the time of year. Maybe Elizabeth died in childbirth.
What do you think?

No, hang on a minute.
That doesn't fit with the 1842 marriage.
Stupid me.

I know, I considered both deaths. ;)

The Eliza in Tendring was married to Shadrack, is I think how I worked it out. I think he was from Purleigh, but not immediate family.

If my theory were correct about Henry Kerridge/Karridge from Purleigh, he did have a lot of other children. But it could still have been as I theorized for Herridge: that first wife died young and the children belong to second wife (since I can't find an Elizabeth Kerridge in 51 when he said he was married).

It could well be that she died in childbirth and neither the birth nor the death were registered. Those were very early days.

I'd try contacting those people with various of 'em in their trees! (I imagine the ones with Sarah just have her peripherally and are working from the same census you are. But the ones with Elizabeth and/or Henry I'd definitely drop a line to.)

Oh, thanks, Patricia ... she says sarcastically. ;) Well, maybe she was Selina known as Sarah! Heh heh.

There's definitely something in your theory that warrants chasing.
Matthias and Elizabeth were definitely old enough to be the Grandparents of Sarah.
I will do what you suggest and try others with the family in their tree.
Thanks again.
Glynis.

And according to that submitted record in the IGI, Matthias and Elizabeth *were* the parents of Elizabeth Mecklenburgh, who was born 1824 and was thus old enough to marry/have a child in 1842/1 (a grandchild of Matthias and Elizabeth), and who was almost certainly the EM who married Henry Karridge/Kerridge of Purleigh, in Purleigh in 1842.

The record in the IGI is submitted, but it's so detailed -- precise dates of birth and baptism -- that I would think someone did take it from an original parish record.

Indeed Henry had a new wife by 1871, at least.


Name: Henry Kerridge
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann E
Gender: Male
Where born: Purley, Essex, England
Civil parish: Romford
Registration district: Romford

Henry Kerridge 49
Ann E Kerridge 39 - born Barking
George Bale 50

Someone has just suggested to me that Sarah's marriage record (to Thomas Rowland in 1864) should have a parent's name. If Matthias is her grandfather then technically it should show details of her actual father (that's unless Matthias considers himself the father whatever).

That same person has also suggested a maiden name for Matthias' wife as Pickess. Have looked it up on 'Familysearch' and sure enough found a marriage for Matthias Mecklenburgh and Elizabeth Pickess in 1823, the year before the birth of daughter Elizabeth in 1824.

Sarah's marriage record would not necessarily be to be trusted. ;)

Children of unmarried parents, for instance, routinely made up fathers when they married -- and quite commonly named their maternal grandfather. I guess I'd assumed you had it, before I realized this was a distant search; it would certainly be worth having a look. But if she went by the name Mecklenburgh (however she might have been registered at birth), it's highly unlikely she would name a father with a different surname on her marriage.

Oops, and sorry to say, probably wrong Matthias and Elizabeth:

MATTHIAS MECKLENBURGH
Spouse: ELIZABETH PICKESS
Marriage: 21 OCT 1823 Bentley, Suffolk, England
Batch No.: M131681

Devil is in the details, and that marriage is in Suffolk. There's a whole separate crew of Mecklenburghs there / in Norfolk (although it may be where yours come from).

A submitted record in the IGI has him born in East Bergholt c1800, and that's where the clan is mainly found in Suffolk (see censuses). Is your Matthias likely to have migrated there? Serious question, I don't know the geography and population patterns there well.


Interesting, though:

1851

Name: Matthias Mecklenburgh
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Servant
Where born: East Bergholt, Suffolk, England
- married, occupation journeyman miller

Civil parish: Little Braxted
County/Island: Essex
Registration district: Witham