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you have helped me get lots of information about lily firth ie.her children. marrage to charles priestley the children from their marrage,now i would like to know if anyone out there can help in finding out what happened to violet priestley her youngest child as far as i know .violet my mother ,she was born 13th june 1920 and died 10th november 2007, she alwayss said she would take her past to the grave and may still take a little of it charles died in dec 1/4 1918 my mum was born 1920 so charles was not her father,on her birth cert the address was 5 wharfe st swinton thats whare lily firth was in the 1891 and 1901 census aged 6 and 8 so she had gone back home.the name of the father and his occupation was just crossed through.,her mum was registered as a housekeeperso who lived there then?she had 6 other childre.My mum told me she was a orphan and put in banardos.isent a search fee and they have found her but i have to wait 4-5 months for it to be processed did she put all her children in the home?violet(my mum) told me lher mother wanted to marry again the man who she was to marry wouldnt take on the children(she told me this afters she had a couple of sherries one xmas)banardos want £60 to process the finding wow, this may be a long shot but who know,also did lily marry again?who to?did she have any more children?what happened when she left Banardos thats the next chapter between 1934 til1943 thanks for all your help but dont think ill find out much more find out much more regards chris

thanks again for all this info much appreciated chris

Christine...dont know how much of the above you already have but you shouldn't have too much trouble finding the Priestley/Gill family as the Gills (if it is the right Elizabeth (Mother of Charles) are all listed for Stanley-cum Wrenthorpe..Eliz.place of birth given as Potovens...(thats Stanley Cum Wrenthorpe).....Only caution is there were Priestley's in Wosbro' where James Firth came from but none that correspond with a Charles...
Any problems just shout...

thanks for all your very useful info all appears to be relivant regards chris

Christine...Possible Marriage of Charles Parents...

Gill Elizabeth Leeds 9b 571
PRIESTLEY John Leeds 9b 571

Registered June quarter 1859....

Christine..
James Firth married Ann Cook Registered Rotherham December 1871

Christine ...This is James Firths Death....

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Firth James 42 Rotherham 9c 496

Chrstine...Possible Charles Family 1881....(Only 1 that seems to fit.)

usehold Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John PRIESTLEY Head M Male 46 Low Moor, York, England Coal Miner
Elizabeth PRIESTLEY Wife M Female 39 Pot Ovens, York, England
Thomas PRIESTLEY Son U Male 22 Headon, York, England Coal Miner
Arthur PRIESTLEY Son U Male 19 Wakefield, York, England Coal Miner
Francis PRIESTLEY Daur U Female 15 Seamer, York, England
Charles PRIESTLEY Son U Male 14 Alverthorpe, York, England Coal Laborer
John PRIESTLEY Son U Male 12 Wakefield, York, England
Joseph PRIESTLEY Son Male 8 Alverthorpe, York, England Scholar
Mary Harrt. PRIESTLEY Daur Female 6 Wood End Cold Hiendley, York, England Scholar
Emma PRIESTLEY Daur Female 9 m Ryhill, York, England


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Source Information:
Census Place Ryhill, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342109
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4597 / 13
Page Number 18

Chrsitine...Here is james (Lily's Father) and family 1881

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James FIRTH Head M Male 34 Wosbro, York, England Coalminer
Ann FIRTH Wife M Female 31 Swinton, York, England
Mary Ann FIRTH Daugh Female 9 Swinton, York, England Scholar
Elizabeth Ann FIRTH Daugh Female 7 Swinton, York, England Scholar
Clara FIRTH Daugh Female 2 Swinton, York, England Scholar
Harry FIRTH Son Male 1 Swinton, York, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Queen Street
Census Place Swinton In Rotherham, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342133
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4683 / 4
Page Number 1

spot on t yes charles was a coalminer and what you sent to me fits perfect give me a new line to my tree thanks a lot how clever you people out there are thanks so much. chris

1901 England Census

Name: Lilly Firth
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: N, Swinton

Civil parish: Swinton
Ecclesiastical parish: Swinton St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Firth 52
Harry Firth 26
Lilly Firth 16

This might be Lily


1891 England Census

Name: Lily Frith
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Swinton, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Swinton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Swinton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Rotherham
Sub-registration district: Wath
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Frith 45 Widowed
Clara Frith 12
Harry Frith 10
Lily Frith 6
Robert Steel 36
Mary Steel 25
Ann Steel 2
Albert E Steel 8/12

All Firths was born in Swinton

Was Charles' father listed as Coal miner?


1871 England Census

Name: Charles Priestley
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Wakefield
Civil parish: Stanley Cum Wrenthorpe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Wakefield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Stanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
John Priestley 36 Coal Miner
Elizabeth Priestley 29
William Priestley 11
Arthur Priestley 9
Frances Priestley 6
Charles Priestley 3
John Priestley 2

no its say hes a bachelor i never thought of looking at that,charles Priestley dad is john priestley and lily firth dad is james firth both fathers are recorded as deceased thanks for helping regards chris

Christine...It should say on the MC if he was a widower....
What was Lily's and Charles fathers name..?
Yes...Charles was listed as born in "Stanley" ..Wakefield.

hi lady in red im new to this and dont always understand the format of peoples repies,thanks forr the info sorry late in repling but been working.I wonder if Charles was married before and had any children regards chris

Christine, Stanley is a district in Wakefield so I think that Eringobragh meant that Charles was born there, not that that was his name.
I don't think it was at all uncommon around 1908 for women to have children out of wedlock and then to go on to marry older men who may perhaps be widowers looking for someone to care for them. I know this was certainly the case in my family. My great grandmother also lied about her age on her marriage cert. I think it was very common so I wouldn't discount anything yet.

hi eringobragh lily is on the 1901 census still living at 5 wharfe st swinton with her mum ann and brother harry is also there, I have a year of birth for charles as 1872 also one for 1867 march can,t remember where i go the 1867 date from! so he was much older then her much! so was stanley his real first name,on there marrage cert hes living at 28 charles st swinton and she still at 5 wharfe st in 1908 he states his age as 36 which would him born in 1872 but as you know not all information given is true,thanks for your help chris

Chris...Charles was born Stanley (Wakefield) 1868..he is listed as living Swinton on the 1901 Census but I cant find him in the intervening years..
Lily (1885) born Swinton but family living in Wath 1891..cant locate Lily anywhere on 1901 Census....
I dont have access to the Census to determine who Charles was living with at the time..(maybe it was Lily..???)

thanks to all of you how do you do it?isit at this pc for hours and try really hard to do it myself but in a matter of minutes you have it thanks again chris