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8 Aug 2010 19:31 |
1871 England Census about Eleanor Lawrence Gill Name: Eleanor Lawrence Gill Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Robert Preston Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Ashton Upon Mersey Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Altrincham Sub-registration district: Altrincham ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Robert Preston Gill 52 - Wine & Spirit Merchant Eleanor Lawrence Gill 30 Robe Preston Gill 9 Herbert Simpson Gill 7 Wm Preston Gill 5 Eleanor Simpson Gill 3 George Penny 40 ) Mary Davies 39 ) Jessie Johnson 28 ) Sarah Allen 40 ) All servants Harriet Gregory 21 ) Salome Whittaker 30 ) Elizabeth Harksworth 19 )
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3683; Folio: 105; Page: 8; GSU roll: 841872
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8 Aug 2010 19:27 |
In 1851 JT's occupation is listed as Merchant and in 1861, retired merchant
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8 Aug 2010 19:25 |
Julia thank you so much! Your helpreally is appreciated! I need to dash out but don't fear, I will definitley be back, and looking forward to find out more!
Thank you again!
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8 Aug 2010 19:24 |
Wow Julia you are doing great! Phillis is a bit of mystery but I am interested to see she died at 95! That must almost doule the national average in 1906?!
I have just looked on the Pilot Scheme on IGI and yes the marriage of her daughter to Robert Preston Gill is correct! This seems to be her death!
Deaths Sep 1915 (>99%) Gill Eleanor L 74 Chester 8a 354 Scan available - click to view
What a leap for her, when her own grandfather died in the Workhouse in 1862! I wonder if this was perhaps kept a secret?
I've just looked at the 1881 on ancestry; the son is at Cambridge! And all of those staff! That is a very affulent family?1
What was Philis' husband's occupation? Perhaps that helped bridge Eleanor's movement into the upper classes which she seems to have done! This must be quite an unusal story.
I know I have asked for a lot of help today, but can you, or someone else perhaps look for Eleanor and her family in 1871, 1891, 1901 and 1911?! I am very excited by this! Family history never ceases to amaze me!!!!!
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8 Aug 2010 19:11 |
I think this is her daughters marriage
Marriages Jun 1861 Gill Robert Preston Gt Boughton 8a 497 Simpson Eleanor Lawrence Gt. Boughton 8a 497
If so, she married well
1881 England Census about Robert P. Gill Name: Robert P. Gill Age: 62 Estimated birth year: abt 1819 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eleanor L. Gender: Male Where born: Manchester Civil parish: Ashton Upon Mersey County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: Wood Heys Hall Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Justice Of Peace & Wine Merchant Registration district: Altrincham Sub-registration district: Altrincham ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Robert P. Gill 62 Eleanor L. Gill 40 Robert P. Gill 19 Eleanor S. Gill 13 William Gibson 44 ) Jane Dobinson 53 ) Hannah Jenkinson 39 ) Eliza Sneath 36 ) All servants Maria Thomas 20 ) Elizabeth Hawksworth 29 ) Louisa Radford 33 )
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3504; Folio: 129; Page: 3; GSU roll: 1341840
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8 Aug 2010 19:06 |
Possible death, if it is her, whoever registered knew her correct age at least!!!!
Name: Phyllis Simpson Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Year of Registration: 1906 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 95 District: Chester County: Cheshire, Flintshire Volume: 8a Page: 243
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8 Aug 2010 19:06 |
Hello Julia, and wow, thank you!
This seems to be Philis' husbands death:
Deaths Mar 1866 (>99%) SIMPSON John T 67 Gt Boughton 8a 291 Scan available - click to view
Also, was she just vain? I mean, in regards to her age?
Philis' was a farmer's daughter, whose father died in the workhouse, so I am curious to see her husband's occupation, especially as he and she seem to be living constantly with three servants!
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8 Aug 2010 19:03 |
1901 England Census about Philis Simpson Name: Philis Simpson Age: 79 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Nantwich, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Farndon Ecclesiastical parish: Farndon Town: Farndon County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Chester Sub-registration district: Tattenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Philis Simpson 79 Martha E Davies 28 - Servant Sarah Jane Essam 28 - Servant Elizabeth Rowson 18 - Servant Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3365; Folio: 28; Page: 8
Living on own means
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8 Aug 2010 19:00 |
Same person in 1891, living on own means, same address as 1881
1891 England Census about Philis Simpson Name: Philis Simpson Age: 69 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Nantwich, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Farndon Ecclesiastical parish: Farndon Town: Farndon County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Chester Sub-registration district: Tattenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Philis Simpson 69 Elizabeth Edwardson 45 - Servant Mary Thomas 22 - Servant Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2859; Folio 23; Page 1; GSU roll: 6097969
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8 Aug 2010 18:56 |
Possible, she's cagey with her age!!!!!
1881 England Census about Phillis Simpson Name: Phillis Simpson Age: 59 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Wrenbury, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Farndon County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street Address: Riverside Back Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Occupation: Annuitant Registration district: Chester Sub-registration district: Tattenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Phillis Simpson 59 William Judd 30 - Servant Sophia Judd 30- Servant Emma Worley 21 - Servant
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3552; Folio: 30; Page: 17; GSU roll: 1341850
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8 Aug 2010 18:47 |
1871 England Census about Phillis Simpson Name: Phillis Simpson Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relation: Head - Widow Gender: Female Where born: Wrenbury, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Farndon Town: Farndon County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Chester Sub-registration district: Tattenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 3 Household Members: Name Age Phillis Simpson 56 Jane Morris 32 - Servant Eliza Caldnote 28 - Servant Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3717; Folio: 26; Page: 1; GSU roll: 842125
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8 Aug 2010 18:45 |
1861 England Census about Phillis Simpson Name: Phillis Simpson Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Wrenbury, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Farndon County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Great Boughton Sub-registration district: Tattenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 17 Household Members: Name Age John Thomas Simpson 61 Phillis Simpson 45 Eleanor Simpson 20 Eizat Mostyn 24 - Servant Catherine Williams 22 - Servant Hugh Jones 21 - Servant
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2624; Folio: 23; Page: 4; GSU roll: 543001
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8 Aug 2010 18:38 |
1851 England Census about Phillis Simpson Name: Phillis Simpson Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1812 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: J T Gender: Female Where born: Wrenbury, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Farndon County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Great Boughton Sub-registration district: Tattenhall ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 47 Household Members: Name Age J T Simpson 49 Phillis Simpson 39 Eleanor Simpson 11 - Daughter Amelia Simpson 30 - Sister John Simpson 17 - Nephew Thomas Simpson 12 - Nephew Sarah Allen 26 - Servant Rachel Davies 18 - Servant John Jones 20 - Servant Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2171; Folio: 83; Page: 16; GSU roll: 87159-87161.
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8 Aug 2010 18:33 |
Hi everyone,
I was searching on the IGI Pilot Record Scheme Website last night and I found the following marriage between John Thomas Simpson (aged 21) and Phillis Brett (aged 21). The marriage took place in Walton On The Hill, Lancashire on 21 November 1839.
Now Phillis' father is recorded as Thomas Brett, making me beleive that she is a very distant aunt of mine. However, her birth year is 'out' by eight years.
I'm interested to see if anyone can spot her in the census. Unless she was widowed and remarried she should appear as:
Phillis Simpson (nee Brett), born 1810 in Wrenbury, Cheshire, wife of John Thomas Simpson.
This is all of the infromation I have for Phillis and her possible spouse. I don't even know if they had any children as of yet! I would suspect that her name is quite unusal, hopefully making it quite easy to spot her?!
Can anyone see Phillis in the census please, and see if the information correlates with the birth information I have for her?
Thank you
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