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Hi Lynne,
just had a look at DURHAM RECORD'S ONLINE....seems there's a lot of your family on there....

This is presumably Marys death...

Deaths Mar 1921 (>99%)
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Reaper Mary 56 Easington 10a 597


Which gives a birth year of approx 1865/1866, and matches up with age 44 in the 1911 census.

Very different to the age of Margaret Lewins on her marriage cert in 1885.

Still think they are 2 different people.....


Nicky

hi cane iv,e got the marriage cert and it looks as if it says margaret lewins as transcribed

Hi Lynne
could the marriage of Jonathan to margaret have been mistranscribed????

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Reaper Annie Russell Easington 10a 1032
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HI CANE I KNOW 3 OF THEIR CHIDREN DIED BUT NOT SURE OF THERE NAMES

there does'nt appear to be a child born to jonathaon of the name mary...
found this..
BIRTH:MARGARET JANE REAPER,SEP Q 1891,EASINGTON
DEATH:MARGARET JANE REAPER,DEC Q 1892 ....

HI NICKY I HAVE GOT ARTHURS BIRTH CERT AND IT SAYS MOTHER MARY RUSSELL ALSO THEIR FIRST SON JOHN WILLIAM HAS MARY AND JONATHEN AS HIS PARENTS ON HIS BAPTISM RECORDS I THINK I WILL HAVE TO GET JOHN WILLIAMS BIRTH CERT TO CHECK I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT I DON,T THINK MARGARET LEWINS AND MARY ARE THE SAME PERSON BUT I,LL PLOD ON LOL IT,S BEEN BUGGING ME FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS

Right..... Pure speculation, but what if Margaret Lewins and Mary Russell arn`t the same person??

Mary first appears on the 1891 census age 22, her "Mother in law" lists her as married to her son Jonathan ,but then she would probably, wether they were married or not.

Margaret was 25 on the marrriage cert. in 1885,........... shed have been 30/31 by the 1891 census.

I cannot find a death for a Margaret Reaper that fits in for a death soon after the marriage ,nor a marriage to a Mary Russell for Jonathan before 1891,..... in fact not at all. People were notorious for lying to" look respectable ".......Mary claims they have been married 23 years in 1911, making a marriage date of c1888........one year before the birth of first son John william , how convenient!!

I don`t know what happened to Margaret/Lewins Reaper, but I just don`t think she is Mary nee Russell, I really think you need to get birth certs for at least 2 of the children, John William and Arthur your grandfather and see if the details match up.... I always try to get birth, marriage and death certs for my "direct Line" to confirm I am tracking the correct people..

If you do get them please add the outcome to this thread as I would be intrigued to know.


Nicky

oh Lynne ...I`m with you on that one..........can`t count how many nights I`ve laid awake with those pesky ancestors going round and round my head....Lol


Nicky

HI NICKY THANKS I DON,T THINK I,LL SLEEP TONIGHT IT KEEPS GOING AROUND IN MY HEAD LOL

Hes there, but if you want to see the image of him he`s on the next page...

John Wm Reaper
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: New Seaham, Durham, England

Civil parish: Seaham
Ecclesiastical parish: New Seaham Christ Church
Town: New Seaham
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Reaper 52
Joseph Reaper 26
John Reaper 14
Richard Reaper 11
Jonathan Reaper 30
Mary Reaper 22
William Ditchburn 60
John Wm Reaper 2


Nicky

HI CANE I HAVE MY GRANDAS BIRTH CERT WHICH SAYS HIS MOTHER IS MARY RUSSELL ALL THE CHILDRENS BAPTISMS HAVE JONATHAN AND MARY AS THERE PARENTS
MARGARET LEWINS WHO JONATHAN MARRIED IN 1885 IS LISTED AS BEING 25 SO THAT MAKES HER BORN ABOUT 1860 FATHER JOSPEH I,M REALLY STUMPED BY THIS

Hi Nickeydownsouth,
with a pair of lateral thinkers like us we should crack this case...yes i tried the misspelling of Reaper/Ripper/Roper, etc etc....nothing showing on the I G I or other.....
I well agree "step family's" some-where...xx

Cane..

I think Lynnes grandad was Arthur born 1910 showing on the 1911 census on page 1 as the youngest child.

Like you i`ve been trying all sorts of marriage surnames trying to make the link, if Russel was Margaret/Marys birth name I can`t find her, and she married as Lewins, and gave her fathers name as Joseph Lewins??

I think theres a step family in here somewhere...one of the parents died and remarried/or lived with either a Russel or Lewins was the new partners name, unfortunatly i don`t think Lynne has any of the childrens births certs...... I advised her to get the 1st childs to confirm mothers maiden name..

I keep trying mispellings of Reaper, just to see if I can find a marriage that way.

The other thing is they say they`ve been married 23 years on the 1911 census, but the marriage took place in 1885, which is nearer to 26 years!!


Its mystery, and also Marys year of birth seems to change with each census...


Nicky

Hi Lynne,
when was your g/dad born???...asking so as to check an earlier marriage for mary to a mr Russell....this mary could have been married two or even three times before,i had one like this twas a bugger to find...got there in the end though

i think i,ll leave it for today and start again tomorrow with fresh eyes ( and brain ) lol thankyou everyone for your help

thanks for the info vera really appreciated i,m really puzzled by this one jonathan married margaret lewins father joseph but all his children have a mother called mary and on my grandas birth cert it says mother mary reaper formerly russell it,s got me stumped

Lynne,
I have pm'd you.

Regards Vera

Here is the same family in 1851...
Thomas Lewins
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Houghton, Durham, England

Civil parish: Pittington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Durham(Street Indexed)
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 10d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lewins 29
Elizabeth Lewins 27
Ralph Lewins 6
Ann Lewins 3
Joseph Lewins 11 Mo


REgards Vera