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So here's the possible story.

1920 James Pickett marries Grace Williams.
1923 Annie Cunningham marries Ernest Hanwell.
1928 James is born, mother Annie Hanwell, father James Pickett. Registered in both names, so James admitted paternity (but there will only be one certificate).
1929 A second child is born to Annie. James suspects it isn't his, or maybe he has cleared off and Annie isn't sure whose it is, or maybe it is registered by a person present at the birth who doesn't know whose it is.


Alexandra, how are these people related to you? Do you know who brought up these two boys?

thank you im just really concerned if annie married ernest then married james pickett once ernest passed its the only explaination i can think of ?? but i cant find a marriage.....

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Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)

Cunningham Annie Hanwell Kensington 1a 357
Hanwell Ernest H Cunningham Kensington 1a 357

yes i have annie as born 1903 kensington so that fits in that cenus..... im just wondering if they married later in life annie and james pickett very confussed on this as james died 1954 :)

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Ernest H Hanwell
Name: Ernest H Hanwell
Death Registration Month/Year: 1932
Age at death (estimated): 32
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 324

BUT, Alexandra, don't assume he's the fella that married Annie, you'd need the death certificate to prove it, and even that might not do anything if they were separated/divorced.

ok this seems to fit with what other members found i just am confused as to why they are drawn on my tree if infact William Hanwell wasnt James's son..... unless James senior married Annie Hanwell nee cunningham and she already had a child?

This looks like Annie in 1911 (No Annie Hanwell in sight)

CUNNINGHAM, George William Head Married M 31 1880 Tramway Motorman Islington London VIEW
CUNNINGHAM, Edith Mary Wife Married
8 years F 31 1880 Tring Herts VIEW
CUNNINGHAM, Annie Edith Daughter F 7 1904 School East Tottenham Edmonton VIEW
CUNNINGHAM, Ethel May Daughter F 6 1905 School East Tottenham Edmonton VIEW
CUNNINGHAM, Robert Henry W Son M 4 1907 School South Deptford Greenwich VIEW
CUNNINGHAM, Harold Richard Son M 2 1909 South Deptford Greenwich VIEW
CUNNINGHAM, Ruth Emily Daughter F 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 South Deptford Greenwich VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2645 Reference:
RG14PN2645 RG78PN90 RD28 SD3 ED4 SN52

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Deptford South Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
St Paul Deptford

Address:
56 Dennetts Road New Cross County:
London

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Annie Cunningham
Name: Annie Cunningham
Spouse Surname: Hanwell
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1923
Registration district: Kensington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 357
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Ernest H Hanwell.

thank you its very confussing as the 2 'sons' i have the death places and dates match up along with the births as stated on the death entrys.... but of course being so close is strange also james and grace married 1920 but didnt have a child till 1928 which is 8 years is that strange? thanks all again

First golden rule is never believe someone else's research. So the wives might be the wrong way round. We'll help sort you out.

Someone please remind me of the circumstances when a child might appear twice in the registers - James Hanwell/James Pickett.

Apologies if anyone has this- I know the middle initial is wrong:

Births Sep 1926 (>99%)
Hanwell William W Hanwell Kensington 1a 155

Not sure if it makes any sense though in view of birth date recorded on death.

Jan

yep that fits thank you..... just really dazzled by the childrens birth years and mothers not sure what to do here.....

Search resultsCivil Registration event: Death
Name: PICKETT, Jack

Registration District: Maidstone

County: Kent

Year of Registration: 2001

Month of Registration: November

Date of Birth: 16 June 1928

District No: 5691A

Reg No: A84C

Ent No: 112

DOR: 1101

SNAP!

yes that death fits perfect thank you....

James registered as Jack

Name: Jack Pickett
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1928
Death Registration Month/Year: Nov 2001
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Maidstone
Inferred County: Kent
Register number: A84C
District and Subdistrict: 5691A
Entry number: 112

Christine

yes i see the marriage thank you very much to all that helped find it however im confused as to the Annie Hanwell bit it shows on my tree as if she was 2nd wife yet the children are born just 1 year appart unless of course they had a child out of wedlock in unusual circumstances all people im asking about are deceased and i can only see James (jack) pickett b1928 exactly like that on this tree i dont know if perhaps he was called jack or his middle name was jack..... stilll very much confussed on this

thank you all :)

Death of William seems to be correct.

Name: William James Hanwell
Birth Date: 4 Aug 1929
Death Registration Month/Year: Sep 1988
Age at death (estimated): 59
Registration district: Camden
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 1498

Christine

Alexandra, you will see Flick has found marriage of Grace Williams and James Pickett above.
Jan

hi all and thanks for your posts im just totally confussed i have information from family mostly i have James seniors death cert here and he died wandsworth in the sub district tooting.... he lived ontario street.... the informant is just marked as J Pickett and son of bailey street camberwell.... James senior was born st olave. southwark. I have on a copy of the family tree infront of me James Pickett b 1895 southwark d 1954 southwark then x1 WILLIAMS grace b1891 west ham d.1968 southwark x2 Hanwell Annie b 1903 kensington... then decended James Pickett (jack) b 1928 kilburn d.2001 isle of sheppy and William James Hanwell b 1929 paddington london d1988 london..... this is all i have but doesnt show marriages or whos mums who

I think we need a bit of feedback here! Still want to know where that original info came from.
EDIT - Flick - is there an echo in here?
Jan