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ok madmeg i understand its easier to understand now you have stated it like this.... yes the un-named birth does seem right as its in the area to which i have noted here. So on both of these births it shows MMN cunningham... which does tie in with annie. Just trying to work out how he came to have 2 children with annie yet he was married to grace williams and annie was married to ernest hanwell... ernest didnt pass away till 1932 which is after both children would of been born. and grace 1968 still named as pickett...

thank you :)

I am not 100% certain of HOW he was registered in both names, but I know there were circumstances in which this happened. I think that both father and mother had to agree to their names appearing on the certificate, so if they weren't married, he appears twice on the records.

No, I don't think your James Pickett and William James Hanwell are the same person at all.

I am off to eat my steak dinner. Back later.

Alexandra, there is no need to repeat the previous information, we can all read everything that has been said on the post.

The James Pickett/Hanwell birth we have found is Willesden September quarter 1928 - and you said your tree states he was born 1928. His mothers maiden name was Cunningham.

Nobody can find a birth for William James Hanwell, only an un-named child in 1929, in Paddington, which I suspect is his birth. Mother's maiden name Cunningham.

Nobody can find any children born to a Mr Pickett and a wife with a maiden name of Williams.

Nobody can find any marriage of Mr Pickett to Mrs. Hanwell. Fairly reasonable to think they never married.

ok i wasnt aware that was the same place.... so out of interest why are they registered in both names? .... what im confussed about is James married Grace Williams in 1920.... then he has a child with Annie Hanwell nee Cunningham but when grace dies she dies in the name pickett.... is this usual if perhaps they were divorced? So do you think my James Pickett and William James Hanwell are one and the same people?

thank you

What are you confused with Alexandra?

Kilburn was part of Willesden.

The James Hanwell birth was recorded in both surnames, Hanwell and Pickett. mmn Cunningham. Both at Willesden. Same reference number. I'd get this certificate if I were you.

Daniel Bovis/Browning is also recorded in both surnames.

madmeg,

There are two boys are cant place to which mother and thats james pickett who was known as jack b1928 d2001 and william james hanwell n1929 d1988..... they show both as decending from james pickett b1897 d.1954 but doesnt show me from which spouse of james i have grace williams b1891 d1968 and annie hanwell b1903.... i have the williams pickett marriage 1920..... no such marriage for pickett and hanwell.... a GR member said theres an annie cunningham marriage to ernest hanwell 1923 in kensngton which fits in to where annie was actually born on my info.... ernest dies in 1932 in middlesex aged 32. the only birth ive been advised of on here is James pickett MMN cunningham 1928.... but this is in willesden.... and of different year to what i have and place..... and obviously as James snr pickett (1897-1954) married grace williams in 1920 and grace death is 1968 in southwark and she is still as grace pickett so am very confussed :(

christine thats correct thats her mothers death i have the birth and death certs here as for the siblings edith and george are correct they are twins elsie is also correct and james.... Also daniel is correct but he was born and registered as i understood it Daniel bovis as he had a different father?? i have obtained Daniels birth cert and states his father as David Bovis, mother kate browning formally pickett..... so now im very confussed.....

Florance i have never heard of nor seen this entry.... im unsure if she could be perhaps their child but passed away at a young age or perhaps this is my nan??!!!!! i have all my nans entry papers into the childrens home and it states her as dorothy


thanking you all for your help and valued support x

Hello

perhaps i got the info wrong but only info on births i have is from here as i hadnt located the births previous.... i ment that another member posted on this thread.

Births Sep 1928 (>99%)
Hanwell James Cunningham Willesden 3a 424

however on this research i have infront of me its showing as one of the boys William James Hanwell b.4 aug 1929 d. 1988 (born paddington died london) and James pickett b1928 in kilburn d2001 in isle of sheppy....

A gr member on this thread found a pickett and williams marriage which also is on the info i was given this marriage was june 1920 ref 1d290.... also a gr member found a death for grace pickett 1968 ref 5e 66 (southwark)

On the info i have here i also have a spouse of Annie Hanwell which i cannot find an actual marriage but GR members found that Annie hanwell was married and her maiden name was infact cunningham. which obviously ties in with the birth you just stated however the place does not. The James born 1928 was born 16-6-1928 as per the death info thats available. and there is also a death for william hanwell that again matches what ive already got but i just cant fit them into the family correctly nor can i work it out... :(

Flick, you are technically correct in saying Jack was a diminutive for John, but maybe William James was known as James, so they just used an alternative. Or have you found something we haven't?

Alexandra,

You say the information online shows the birth registration of James1928 to have the mmn of Williams, where have you found this?

This is the registration found previously for you and the mmn is Cunningham.

Births Sep 1928 (>99%)
PICKETT James Cunningham Willesden 3a 424

Regarding your nan Dorothy, do you think she was born in 1925?

Is this her mother's death?

Deaths Dec 1933 (>99%)
Browning Kate 37 Camberwell 1d 814

Are these all the other children?

Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Browning Edith K Pickett Southwark 1d 284
Browning George B Pickett Southwark 1d 284

Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
BROWNING Florence M J Pickett Southwark 1d 190

Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
Browning Elsie A R Pickett Southwark 1d 179

Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Browning James A Pickett Southwark 1d 134

Births Sep 1931 (>99%)
Browning Daniel Picket Camberwell 1d 967

Christine

flick do you have any ideas with this or have i totally confussed you now lol x

also to add my nans birth year 1925 but again thats only est as we dont actually know.... i have another member on my contacts whom is a pickett by maiden name she has james whom died 1954 on her tree she has the annie hanwell marriage on there including offspring but theres no further info like marriage year or ref so i have emailed her to ensure she is correct on this because all that ive found to be true is that he married grace williams and they had a child... maiden name williams. but the other gr member believes annie hanwell was james b1928 d.2001 mother .... but according to the info available online mothers maiden name was williams and ties in with the williams marriage..... i just cant work this out x

OK, the tree was typed on a normal computer and printed via a printer i was sent it from a relative about 4 years ago and its her research.... i dont know how the information was gathered i mean everything on there is correct to what i have searched except this part about the James (snr) pickett marrying Grace williams and then Annie Hanwell..... this thred has already helped me discover that James (snr) did marry Grace but i have searched and cannot find a marriage between James and Annie.... ive even searched under Ann. Other members on this thred found the death info for both the boys i have on this information and they match they even found the birth info for William Hanwell but shows mother was annie cunningham i have also searched for a marriage between James (snr) pickett and annie cunningham to no avail. I dont believe i have seen the birth info of James or Jack pickett yet.... the reason i stated James (jack) pickett was because thats how its written or typed i should say on this tree 'James (jack) pickett'.... My Nans mother was James (snrs) sister.... So my nan and the boys the confussions over would of been cousins...

As for my nan Her birth was never registered she has no birth certificate and i have searched all areas possible to find a birth for my nan but there is not one.... we celebrate her birthday on the 24th August but obviously it may not even be this date. The unusalness of this is that all of my nans other siblings before her and 1 after were all registered! My nans name is Dorothy Browning her mother was Kate Pickett and her Father was George Browning....

:)

You say these people were cousins of your grandmother.........so let's start with her.

What was her birth name? Where and when was she born?

Who compiled the 'tree' to which you refer?

Has he/she added any references about where the info was obtained?

Or may it be based on hearsay?

Alexandra

You seem to be persisting with thinking that JACK was James. As I pointed out earlier......Jack is a diminutive of JOHN - or a name in its own right

His death was registered as JACK................IF he's the person you are seeking.

Please try to re-think. You may find it worthwhile

Buying his death cert may be a good idea...................

So where did you get this tree from Alexandra? I only ask cos I was presented with one recently from a member of my own family, typed on a typewriter, so it sort of dates it as old. Is yours typed on a typewriter?

You see, I am trying to imagine who it might be that knew that somebody died in 2001, which is not too long ago really. Computers were definitely in households then, so if it was done on a typewriter or an old-style dot matrix printer, it sort of indicates an older person.

How did you come across this family tree? Who drew it up?

Ok well the tree im looking at was drawn up by a relative about 4-5 years ago it doesnt hold much info the tree is typed and printed so no handwritting on there..... erm i kind of think that il do whatever to solve this mystery so what ever you can suggest.....

thank you

No, I can't find any possible marriage for either of them, but nor can I find a death of an Annie Hanwell, or an Annie Pickett. But the online records only go up to 2006, she could have died age 104.

I was wondering who drew up this tree and when. The person has the death of Jack in 2001 - is that in the same handwriting on the tree, or might it have been added by someone else. And the death of William James. Which either suggests the families remained in touch or somebody has done this research later.

What to do next depends on how much you want to spend on certificates. The deaths of the two sons might indicate their wives or children. The two births should be worth getting. I can see a few possible marriages for Jack (but a lot more for James) that should name his father, but I guess we're pretty sure who he is. Too many marriages for William.

well they are related through my grandmother they were cousins but my nans mum died young and my nan was in a childrens home so im piecing her family history for her really.... i think becuase the informant on James seniors death was son J pickett that they must of been with the family??

couldnt annie and james of married and james took on william as his own son ?? explaining why william was registered hanwell as the death also ties in with my william hanwell that someone found on the thred?

i dont know where to go from here? did you see if you could see a james pickett annie hanwell marriage? after her 'first husband' died?


thanks for your valued help