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rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 28 Jul 2010 14:46

This still looks the most likely for Bridget's death

Name: Bridget Robinson
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1886
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 607


Mike

Mike Report 28 Jul 2010 14:15

I now have Thomas Stuart and Bridget's marriage certificate.
They were married on July 31st 1912 at St. Marie's RC CHurch in Failsworth (now part of Oldham MBC) in the District of Prestwich in the Counties of Lancaster & Manchester.
Thomas Stuart's age is given as 34 and Bridget's as 25 (suggesting they were born in 1878 and 1887 respectively)
He was a bottle dealer living at 42 Wilfred Street, Moston and she lived at 40 Faversham Street, Moston.
His father James (a bottle dealer) was deceased and her father Peter (a farmer) was also deceased. The witnesses were John Robinson (his brother) and Mary E. McManus (who I am wondering whether she was a cousin on her mother's side)

It would be nice to know if Bridget was living there at the time of the 1911 Census, where she was born and who else was living in the house with her - but I guess that might not be that easy to find.
Any help with that is appreciated.
Thanks.

Mike

Mike

Mike Report 26 Jul 2010 14:48

Bridget was estranged from the family - the 1970 burial was in the equivalent of a paupers grave.
I don't think there would be anything about Thomas Stuart in obituaries as the family were not particularly close having been scattered by two world wars.

Mike

Mike

Mike Report 26 Jul 2010 09:09

2 of Thomas Stuart's brothers were RC priests and would not have allowed burial in a non-RC grave.
Also in Manchester all pof the municipal cemeteries have RC sections.
Also the grave mentioned previously in Manchester also has interred in it names that have no bearing on the family tree.
Cremation was not an option in the family in those days.
But thanks any way.

Mike

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 26 Jul 2010 09:00

Michael, you may think it is unlikely for the buriel to have taken place in an Anglican churchyard but it is very, very possible.

Where I live, many RC folk lay alongside their C of E friends in perfect harmony. The local RC church does not have a churchyard whilst the Anglican one does and RC burials are in that churchyard are quite commonplace.

Another thing.....how do you know they were buried? They may well have been cremated. Have you checked crematorium records? They're relatively easy to google. Cx

Mike

Mike Report 25 Jul 2010 22:19

Thomas definitely died in England as did Bridget. I'm pretty sure that they are both buried in the UK.

Mike

Mike

Mike Report 25 Jul 2010 17:56

Hi Cynthia,
Yes I know that but believe me I think it is very, very unlikely that would have happened.
But thanks any way.

Mike

Mike

Mike Report 25 Jul 2010 17:55

I'm still waiting for the marriage certificate.
It is possible (in fact pretty probable) that this is the death of Bridget but I won't be able to say for definite until I have the marriage certificate:

Name: Bridget Robinson
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1886
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 607

Thanks.

Mike

Mike

Mike Report 25 Jul 2010 17:52

To the best of my knowledge, Bridget died in the mid to late 60s.
Any help on tracing Thomas Stuart's year of death, place of death and site of burial would be greatly appreciated.

Mike

ChristineinPortugal

ChristineinPortugal Report 20 Jul 2010 08:53

Do you have the marraige cert for the age of Bridget?

There's this death.

Name: Bridget Robinson
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1886
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 607

Christine

Mike

Mike Report 20 Jul 2010 08:24

Thanks but Bridget (I believe) died in the mid to late 1960s. Again, nobody knows exactly when or where or where she is buried. This is the problem I think of having no living relatives that I can ask.
Any pointers to help me tie down the date and place of death for both Thomas Stuart and Bridget would be appreciated.

Mike

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 19 Jul 2010 15:18

Not that it really helps, but it is quite possible for an RC to be buried in a C of E churchyard. Good luck with your search. Cx

MaryMc

MaryMc Report 18 Jul 2010 22:28

The one that Eringobragh is talking about says this:

1911 census transcription details for: 138 Stanton St Clayton
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN24309 RG78PN1393 RD467 SD6 ED28 SN12

Reg. District: Prestwich Sub District: Bradford
Parish: North Manchester Enum. District: 28
Address: 138 Stanton St Clayton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CAFFREY, Bridget Head Widow F 45 1866 Home Ireland Athlone
CAFFREY, Catherine Daughter Single F 26 1885 Dressmaker Manchester Lancashire
CAFFREY, Maria Daughter Single F 24 1887 Dressmaker Manchester Lancashire
CAFFREY, Denis Son Single M 18 1893 Trolley Boy Electric Trams Manchester Lancashire
CAFFREY, Annie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Dressmaker Manchester Lancashire
CAFFREY, John Son Single M 8 1903 School Manchester Lancashire

Mike

Mike Report 18 Jul 2010 21:26

As far as I know Bridget died in the mid to late 1960s and from memory (from what little I was told by my parents) Bridget and Thomas were not buried together.
Thanks for the info though.

Mike

Mike Report 18 Jul 2010 17:16

Thanks. Yes, I'd seen this before and it opened up another load of questions that as yet I can't answer!

Mike

Mike Report 18 Jul 2010 17:14

Thanks for your help everybody BUT I'm still looking.
The Thomas Stuart who died in 1940 is not my grandfather - I have been led to believe that he died at some point after April 1945. Also I checked the Manchester burial records and this one is buried in a CoE plot when my grandfather was RC. Also he was buried with (presumably) other family members whose names have no relationship to any on my tree.
So, any help or pointers you can give will be appreciated.
And BTW I know nothing about Bridget - I'm waiting for a copy of their marriage certificate to start chasing the McCaffrey line.
Thanks again.

Mike

MaryMc

MaryMc Report 18 Jul 2010 12:16

You may already have this

1911 census transcription details for: 41 Fielden St Oldham Road M/r
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN24145 RG78PN1387 RD466 SD3 ED12 SN111

Reg. District: Manchester Sub District: St George
Parish: Manchester Enum. District: 12
Address: 41 Fielden St Oldham Road M/r
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
ROBINSON, Thomas Stuart Boarder Single M 33 1878 Bottle Dealer Manchester Lancashire

Mike

Mike Report 18 Jul 2010 12:04

Thanks for the replies but I think it is unlikely that any of them are my grandfather unless you can give me a definitive reason why they might be! My understanding is that he died after April 1945. I really do need to know his date and location of death and if possible his burial location.
ANY HELP/INFO WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.
I know nothing about Bridget, I am waiting for their marriage certificate to arrive and then I may have more questions.

patchem

patchem Report 18 Jul 2010 09:00

?
Thomas S Robinson
Death Registration Month/Year: 1940
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 841

patchem

patchem Report 18 Jul 2010 08:57

Do you know Bridget's birth and/or death dates (so we can see if she moved from Manchester?)
Thanks