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Adding more confusion.

There's this John Babington in 1891 who appears to married to Elizabeth, he has more or less the same occupation as John on the birth cert.

Also I think the same one in 1881 and 1871.


1891 England Census
about John Babington
Name: John Babington
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Camden, London, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishop Ryder
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England



Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Babington 26 file grinder
Elizabeth Babington 30
Elizabeth Carrington 77 mother in law
Joseph Babington 22 brother born Croydon
Christopher Babington 1
Thomas Carrington 20




1881 England Census
about John Babington
Name: John Babington
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: London Hampstead, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: Bishopsgate St Court 20 No 1
Education:


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Occupation: Street Orderly Tender (Scay)

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Babington 42
Jane Babington 37
John Babington 16
Edward Babington 13
Joseph Babington 11




1871 England Census
about John Babbington
Name: John Babbington
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, Hampstead, London, England
Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: Church Aston
Town: Aston Manor
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members:
Name Age
John Babbington 45
Jane Babbington 40
John Babbington 7
Christoper Babbington 5
Edward Babbington 3
Joseph Babbington 1

Perhaps he was already married so never married Ellen Clarke.

I would be tempted to buy the death cert in Sheffield as there doesn't appear to be another John Babington of correct age in the area on 1901 census.

If it isn't the correct one at least it would eliminate him.

Christine

Ok

I may add even more confusion here - but look at other spellings. My maiden name is bebbington which is often mis-spelt on census as Bebington, Bevington, Babington and Babbington. Not many of these in Birmingham ( my home town) but beware when looking at recors in Cheshire as very common name around those parts.

Good Luck

Finally it's arrived, copy of Birth certificate for Rosie May: When & Where Born: 1st October 1900, 10 Copley Street, Ecclesall Bierlow, Name: Rosie May, Father: John Babington, Mother: Ellen Babbington formerly Clarke, Occupation of Father: edge tool grinder, Informant: the mark of Ellen Babbington, mother, 10 Copley Streeet
Looks like I've eventually found my grandparents, the 1901 census info puts the family of John, Helen, Helen and Rose at 10 Copley Street, Ecclesall Bierlow. Now looking for a marriage between John & Helen or is it Ellen? Then of course their births, deaths, possible previous & re-marriage for her but, one step at a time..........

Anthony, you may have posted this before but I can't find it in amongst all the pages.

William Clarke's children Bill, Stan & Muriel, about what year were they born? I presume they were adults when you were working with him. Have you any idea?

Ozi

Thanks Jonesey, I've looked at this one and it's not him, I managed to find a marriage between Zachariah John Babington & Lydia Court Dec Q 1883 - no wonder he called himself John! Once I'd got the correct first name I found his birth record June Q 1865. He and Lydia continued to live with her father, they both appear on the 1901 and 1911 census and there is no mention of any children.

Hi Gael re Charles Thomas Cartwright death, this maybe her husbands death, it's the right area or maybe not, on reflection, if I've got the childrens info correct 2 of them were born after 1936. I'll take a look at this later
Many thanks

If William Clarke were of retirement age 50 years ago, then I doubt he's still alive.

Just can't find anything for a Muriel, Stanley and William Clarke with the same mother's maiden name in the Staffordshire area.

Rose

Found a burial. Anyone you know ???

Name: Charles Thomas Cartwright
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 07 Nov 1936
Burial Place: Harborne, Stafford, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02214-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1520004
Reference Number: 76
Collection: Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910

Could this be Lilian's birth or have I got the date or place wrong ???

Name: Bertha Lilian Clark
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Apr 1908
Baptism/Christening Place: Smethwick, Stafford, England
Father's Name: John Alfred Clark
Mother's Name: Lilian Rosina Clark:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05246-6
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 6085662
Reference Number: fiche 17 p 22
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

That marriage was found on this thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1232292

Rose

You were saying (smug grin!)

Marriages Jun 1928 (>99%)
CARTWRIGHT Charles CLARKE W.Bromwich 6b 1736
CLARKE Lilian CARTWRIGHT W.Bromwich 6b 1736

Not been yet! Plan is for next week. Will have a look.
Jan

Hi Jan, I hope your trip to Central Library produced some good answers for you. I would be grateful if you do add me to your ever increasing list, you're bound to reach my name sometime soon. Many thanks

Both trees appear to be inaccurate. They have Ernest being born in 1892.

Rose

There are electoral registers in B'ham Central Library - obviously only have people of voting age but would give an idea at least. Off there soon myself, might add you to my rather long list!!
Jan

Thanks Rose I've just had a quick look at marriages on Ancestry and they still say he married Emily Treaser Grigg so I'll take a look at this tree info tomorrow

Many thanks Jan for 1911 census info re Clarkes at 131 Watville Road, will keep these in mind. Someone else mentioned that there were Clarkes in the same road and by 1918 they (or other Clarkes) were living next door. Any idea how I find the 1918 detail?
I'd not really thought about the back-to-back houses, even though I remember them as a child until Jonesey explained more.

Oh those back-to-backs! Got me in a right mess with the addresses when I started out.
Have checked all the houses at no. 73 but nobody significant. There are some Clarkes up the road so keep in mind:

CLARKE, William Head Married M 67 1844 Labourer General Stafford Handsworth VIEW
CLARKE, Sarah Wife Married
48 years F 68 1843 Laundry Newbury VIEW
CLARKE, Arthur Son Married M 42 1869 Labourer General Handsworth VIEW
CLARKE, Thomas Son Single M 31 1880 Labourer Bricklayers And Builder Stafford Handsworth VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17208 Reference:
RG14PN17208 RG78PN1059 RD371 SD1 ED3 SN88

Registration District:
West Bromwich Sub District:
Handsworth Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Handsworth

Address:
131 Wattville Road Handsworth Staffordshire County:
Staffordshire

Lily born Bucklow isn't yours. She's listed on the 1911 census.

Rose

Apologies Anthony,

I don't see why it should help but the people at No 73 were:


WIGGINS, John Head Married M 32 1879 Railway Buffer Turner Handsworth Staffs
WIGGINS, Lizzie Wife Married 9 years F 34 1877 Smethwick Staffs
WIGGINS, John Son M 8 1903 Handsworth Staffs
WIGGINS, William Son M 7 1904 Handsworth Staffs

Address:
73 Wattville Road Handsworth Staffordshire County:
Staffordshire

Dea x

Anthony,

You already have the 1911 details for that address - posted on page 1.

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