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Hi John,

living 'down under' makes me a little late in getting back to you.

Glad you came on board

Gael

Evening John....Yes that was the case..re Patrick and Brid. but there appears to be no other Patrick Healey with son a John (1878) in any of the Durham Mining villages at the time....
What I find curious is why John went to the Yorkshire area...Unusual for a miner to move Collieries let alone areas...

Patrick Healy and Bridget (nee Milmour) wrong tack!

Thanks to information from Erin re: aboves marriage, I have established that they are a blank lead. They married in 1878! My grandfather John Healey (according to his marriage certificate) was married in 1918 at the age of 42. Which means he was born @1876. And he does not occur in the 1881 census for Patrick and Bridget.

You would need the marriage certificate for Patrick Healey and Bridget Millmore to confirm, but this may be Bridget in 1861

1861 England Census
about Bridget Milmore
Name: Bridget Milmore
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanchester, Durham, England

Civil parish: Kyo
Ecclesiastical parish: Collierly
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: Tanfield

John Milmore 49 ...coke labourer....born Ireland
Bridget Milmore 46 ...born Ireland
James Milmore 15 ....born Ireland
John Milmore 13 ...born Ireland
Dennis Milmore 10 ....born Lanchester
Bridget Milmore 6 ....born Lanchester
Bernard Marren 33 ...lodger
Michael Mc Goven 22 ....lodger
Peter Murray 21 ....lodger
Anne Gillasby 14 ....servant
Patrick Granny 50 ....lodger

Firstly Lindsey: Thank you for your efforts!
There are four items of information that gel, My great grandfather Patrick was irish, and a miner. I do not know about Kate?
My grandfather John was living in Annfield Plain when he married in 1918.

Alison: Thank you for your efforts!
Yes John was/is my grandfather. John was 42, Josephina(nee Newton) was 21 when married. You also have Josephinas date of death correct.

Gael (from down under): Thank you for your efforts!
The deaths for John need further research, excepting the death in 1915. I know he was still alive in 1929. Patricks birth was 30th August 1920 in Stanley, Durham. But may have been registered in September.

NinjaLady: Thank you for your efforts!
All of your information is spot on! The only 'fly in the ointment' was someones error in registering Josephener's/Josephinas marriage name as Noaley instead of Healey?

Eringobragh: Thank you for your efforts!
I found what you have unearthed to be most exciting, the information seems to tick a lot of boxes. The only fact that seems out of kilter, tends to be that John is shown as 6 in the 1891 census which would have made him 33 in 1918 (at marriage) but shows on the marr. cert as being 42!
I also mispelt the Rigdway name, I believe it was Ridgway (without the e) and they lived within spitting distance of Mexborough.

Thanks All.. any more info please keep it coming. It is gratefully received.

John...Good to have you back...!! If Patrick and Brid. are your family then Patrick never shifted from the same address all his married/working live...as I said previously I dont have access to the Census' but with some mooching around found he was was living in Greencroft 1901....(1911 Census has been added earlier to your thread)
Plenty of Healey/Healy's in Doncaster area same time frames and most of the "earlier" generation also came from Co's Roscommon/Sligo..the Ridgeways tended to be located in the Mexborough area...and later..1901 onwards..
Havent found a family connection between the two families as yet...

Bless you John - thank you for your message.

If you could confirm what is correct and post any further queries directly onto this thread - click the purple reply button just under the heading - that would be brilliant, that way we can all see the replies.

I'm sure Gael and Erin will probably join me in finding out more for you if you need it.

Thank you all for your kind responses! NinjaLady contacted me and showed me how to get back! I will try to respond individually! There is much information I can confirm but much that has arisen which is of interest.

Thank you all once again! I had despaired of ever unearthing any more information!

John

Gael/Erin - have sent a message to John letting him know that he has info posted and how to get back here, just in case he's a newbie.

Hopefully he'll let us know if the information is useful to him and if he needs any more.

Perhaps he's not sure how to get back here? It can be a bit confusing at first.

If we haven't heard back from him by this evening I'll drop him a line and let him know he has replies and how to find them...

Thank You Ninja lady...
Dont know where John is..!!

1891 census to carry on Eringobragh's line of research...

1891 England Census
about Patrick Healey
Name: Patrick Healey
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Greencroft
Ecclesiastical parish: Collierly St Thomas
Town: Hanging Stone
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Lanchester
Sub-registration district: Lanchester

Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Healey 38 ...general colliery labourer...born Ireland
Bridget Healey 36 ...born Lanchester
John Healey 6 ...born Lanchester
Thomas A Healey 4 ...born Lanchester
Catherine Healey 11 ...born Lanchester
Mary Healey 10 ....born Lanchester
Margart Cahill 26
John Millmour 34 ...lodger...born Ireland (??? relation to Bridget)
James Gaman 40 ...lodger
Peter Healey 29 ...lodger....born Ireland (???relation to Patrick)
Charles Galleghar 24 ...lodger

Hi John,

In case you're not sure how to reply on this 'thread' press the purple button reply or the add key.

Gael

John...This is Brids Death

Deaths Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Healey Bridget 36 Lanchester 10a 226

John...This is the Marriage of Patrick Healy and Bridget Millmore (b Greencroft Durham)...
Registered Lanchester .March 1878..

Patrick and Brid.1881 Census.

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Patrick HEALY Head M Male 28 Ireland Coal Miner
Bridget HEALY Wife M Female 26 Greencroft, Durham, England
Catherine HEALY Daur U Female 2 Greencroft, Durham, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Hanging Stone
Census Place Greencroft, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342189
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4947 / 104
Page Number 70

Some of their children. All Reg Lanchester
Catherine 1879
Mary 1881 Sept.
JOHN 1885 Sept.
Thomas Andrew 1887 Sept.
The 1891 Census should show more detail but I dont have access.

If the Lanchester birth is correct, then the mothers maiden name was Newton

This is possibly the marriage for Josephine and John

Marriages Sep 1918 (>99%)

Healey John Newton Lanchester 10a 622
Newton Josephener Noaley Lanchester 10a 622



It would be best to buy the marriage certificate to confirm the names of the fathers.

However, there is this Josephina Newton on the 1901 census in Co Durham

1901 England Census
about Josephina Newton
Name: Josephina Newton
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Christopher
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil parish: Whickham
Ecclesiastical parish: Dunston Christchurch
Town: Dunston
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Whickham

Household Members: Name Age
Christopher Newton 39 ....coal miner... born Durham
Annie Newton 36
George Newton 16
Elizabeth J Newton 13
William E Newton 9
Beatrice Newton 7
Lillian Newton 5 ....born South Shields
Josephina Newton 2 ...born South Shields
Tom Newton 3 months...born Whickham

Everyone else was born in Durham.


This is possibly the birth for this particular Josephina Newton

Name: Josephener Newton
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: South Shields
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 817




In 1911 Tom, Josephine and Lillian from the above family are in the Durham Union Workhouse.

Institution NEWTON, Josephine 1899 12 F Durham Durham



However, there is also this birth

Births Jun 1899 (>99%)
Newton Josephine Tynemouth 10b 308

Which goes with this 1911 census

Household NEWTON, Josephine 1899 12 F Tynemouth Northumberland

And possible births for Patrick ???

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
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Healey Patrick Newton Lanchester 10a 798
Healey Patrick J Vanderbro[oc]k Liverpool 8b 238

and possible deaths for John ???

Deaths Jun 1943 (54%)
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HEALEY John E 51 Doncaster 9c 750

Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Healey John 60 Durham 10a 569

This must be Josephina's death ???

Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%)
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Healey Josephina 31 Doncaster 9c 1368

Hi John,

So is John Healey your grandfather?
Do you know here was he born?
If John was your Grandfather, Josephina was a lot younger than him is that correct?

Have you any other details you can give ? Every bit helps.

Alison