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1861 Oswin family

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Linda

Linda Report 8 Jul 2010 23:49

Yup, that's them. I've photographed their gravestone in Angmering churchyard. We've got his parents too, tho gravestone now under north aisle of church - was photographed by researchers down there. Angmering has an excellent website!

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:46

JAMES BONGARD Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: LUCY TALMEDGE Family
Marriage: 23 JAN 1792 Angmering, Sussex, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Linda

Linda Report 8 Jul 2010 23:45

Indeed. There are similar names in France and Germany. Family rumour said ours came over during the French Revolution, but that can't be right as they're in Angmering long before that. Could be C17 Huguenot refugees tho. Also some rumour of French glass makers who came to England. None of it verified though!

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:44

GEORGE BONGARD Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 JUL 1832 Angmering, Sussex, England
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Parents:
Father: GEORGE BONGARD Family
Mother: FRANCES
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:43



GEORGE BUNGUARD Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 MAR 1806 Heene, Sussex, England
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Parents:
Father: JAMES BUNGUARD Family
Mother: LUCY
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:43

a connection no doubt? 1881

Thomas BUNGARD Head M Male 30 Worthing, Sussex, England Postman
Maria BUNGARD Wife M Female 30 Kidlington, Oxford, England
Annie BUNGARD Daur Female 6 Worthing, Sussex, England Scholar
George BUNGARD Son Male 4 Worthing, Sussex, England
William BUNGARD Son Male 2 Worthing, Sussex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 26 West Street
Census Place Broadwater, Sussex, England
Family History Library Film 1341274
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1116 / 80
Page Number 32

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:41

had to have a look - an interesting name!!!!

Linda

Linda Report 8 Jul 2010 23:38

More miscellaneous Bongards - another confusing family! I've got quite a lot of info about them and the Corneys, all Sussex - Ann Bongard/Oswin's parents were George Bongard, bricklayer, born Heene, Worthing 1806 (tho his parents and half his siblings born Angmering) and Frances Corney born Bignor, Sussex 1801. Confusingly their daughter Frances married her first cousin so her father, brother and husband were all called George Bongard! haven't found death of either George or Frances, tho someone said George died 1834. certainly he's not there in 1841 - tho there is another george Bongard, also a bricklayer, in Maidstone, Kent. Must be a connection but I haven't yet found it.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:30

WILLIAM BONGARD Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 23 FEB 1827

Christening: 17 JUN 1827 Bull Lane Independent, Stepney, London, England

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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HENRY BONGARD Family
Mother: ANNA MARIA
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:29


WILLIAM HENRY BONGARD Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: JOHANNA HARRIS Family
Marriage: 29 JUN 1819 Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:25



Annie Louisa Bungard Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 15 NOV 1877

Christening: 28 NOV 1877 Bethnal Green, London, England
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Parents:
Father: William Henry Bungard Family
Mother: Selina
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 8 Jul 2010 23:24

FRANCIS BONGARD Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY BURTON Family
Marriage: 15 MAR 1773 Saint Marylebone, London, England

Linda

Linda Report 8 Jul 2010 23:11

Odd about the Sheridans isn't it? But names seem to vary in this family. My gt grandmother was Louisa Ann Oswin, and I have a copy of her birth certificate and assorted later censuses all saying Louisa Ann, born Southampton 1855. Yet in her letter Anna Frances says "I do not know whether you are called Anna or Frances nor which name comes first" and in 1861 she is with grandmother Frances Bongard in Stepney as Ann F Oswin, 6, born Southampton. (Someone found this for me ages ago - I haven't been able to find it myself.) Mother Ann Bongard in 1861 was a housemaid in Hampstead, unmarried but calling herself Ann Oswin. She and Richard married in 1866, but unfortunately his first wife was still alive so it was bigamous!

Linda

Linda Report 8 Jul 2010 22:36

Wow, that's all mind-blowing! Thank you all so much! The reason I posted my query today is that this morning a cousin emailed me a letter believed to have been written to my great grandmother Louisa Ann Oswin, and at the top it says 1867 and Woodhall Farm. So I wanted to find out where they were. Since then I've been deciphering the letter - written both ways across the paper - and found it's from Anna Frances Oswin to her granddaughter back in Southampton. Anna was obviously missing her family. She then describes a farm and all the animals, which I thought was odd as Charles was a surgeon, and then wishes she could transport it all back to England. The cousin who sent the letter said family believed it had been sent from India, as Charles and Anna's son Richard was in India some of the time, but clearly not. The letter all makes sense now. And the fact that I couldn't find them - looking in the wrong place! Thanks for all the early Oswins in London too - lots to digest and try and make sense of. I'd love to see the photo of Charles - maybe I should join Ancestry!

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2010 21:27

Son Edward is there too


Edward Oswin
Age in 1860: 25
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: England
Home in 1860: Madison Ward 1, Dane, Wisconsin
Gender: Male
Post Office: Madison
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Oswin 25
Harriet Oswin 23
Laura Oswin 1
Adolade Oswin 4/12
Ellen Bassey 12

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2010 21:16

OK. I've just looked for him, on other trees on Ancestry. His obituary is there as well as a picture of him. Fine looking man.
In his obituary it states that he left England in 1855 and volunteered for active service in the Crimea. On the outbreak of the American Civil War he joined the American Service as Surgeon with the rank of General. He had a small farm near Madison Dane County Wisconsin where he resided for 16 years until the death of his wife. (Well that answers the question as to why I couldn't find a death for her in England).
He died March 3rd 1890 in England

So it would appear that the family in 1860 in the USA is them after all.

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2010 20:56

and here they are in America. Not making sense but it looks like him. He is a Farmer!!. Could he have retired from medical practice and gone to the USA to try his hand at Farming? Is it possible that Anna Frances died out there. I need to find him coming back into England for the 1871 but i can't so it's probably the wrong family although they are not showing there in 1871,


Charles Oswen
Age in 1860: 58
Birth Year: abt 1802
Birthplace: England
Home in 1860: Middleton, Dane, Wisconsin
Gender: Male
Post Office: Pheasant Branch
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Oswen 58
Annie Oswen 56
Fanny Oswen 18

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2010 20:52

Could be why Charles and Anna aren't in the 1861. Travelling to New York with wife Annie or Anna

Charles Oswin>>>>>>Doctor
Arrival Date: 2 Oct 1855
Birth Year: abt 1810
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/RaceĀ­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Robena

Astra

Astra Report 8 Jul 2010 20:39

I think Linda meant Charles Senior the Surgeon was a widower in 1871. Living with his son Frederick

Charles Oswin
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Southgate, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 211
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Osoria 44
Caroline E Osoria 49
Frederick J Osoria 19
George Osoria 17
Caroline F Osoria 17
Charles Oswin 69>>>>>MRCS not in Practice>>>Widower
Sie George E Hodgkinson 54
Edmund H Hodgkinson 13
Hannah White 36

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 8 Jul 2010 19:16

You said that Charles was a widower in the 1871 census yet Louisa his wife didn't die until 1874.....how strange!
Deaths Jun 1874
OSWIN Louisa Marsden 50 Reading 2c 225