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So why can't we trace her until 1890 ???

Super Sleuths required here please !

Dea Xxx

Me too, Dea!

I think this is Harriet i 1851 (her baptism, and those of two siblings, William and Elizabeth) are on Ancestry; father - James, mother - Harriet)

1851 England Census
about Harriett Birchell
Name: Harriett Birchell
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Harriott
Gender: Female
Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Luke Old Street
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: St Luke
Sub-registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Harriott Birchall 40 head, widow, b Theobalds Road
William Birchell 18
James Birchell 16
Harriett Birchell 14
Mary Birchell 8
Emma Birchell 6
George Birchell 4
Harriet Smith 63 Mother - b All Hallows
Mary Ann Smith 19 Sister

All b St Lukes, except as noted above

Thanks Potty,

I can't find these people on any cencus though which is really frustrating me ???

Dea x

The GRO marriage index gives his name as William (not Wilson) Thomas.

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
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BIRCHALL Harriet Shoreditch 1c 348
Hunter Mary Jane Shoreditch 1c 348
Prince William Harvatt Shoreditch 1c 348
PRINCE William Harvatt_ Shoreditch 1c 348
Tattersall William Thomas Shoreditch 1c 348

George Hubball
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Spouse Name: Harriet Sattersall (Tattersall)
Spouse Age: 51
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Apr 1890
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Hubball
Spouse Father Name: James Birchall

(The one I posted on page 1 but couldn't connect at that stage).

Dea x

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Wilson Thomas Tattersall
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Spouse Name: Harriet Birchall (a minor)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Apr 1854
Parish: St John the Baptist, Hoxton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Tattersall
Spouse Father Name: James Birchall



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint John The Baptist, Hoxton, Register of marriages, P91/JNB, Item 037

Wow!!

That is where the Hubball comes in !!

I think I am getting confused here!

Harriet Tattersall (nee Birchall) married George Hubball in 1890.

Harriet was a widdow - George was a batchelor.

Therefore the 'Annie' Tattersall born from her first marriage could well have used the name Huball from her new 'Step father'.

So... they are the same person???

Is that what we were looking for or did you know that already?


Dea x

PM from Christine:

Hi, I have the birth cert. for Annie Tattersall 11 sept 1856 parents Wilson thomas and Harriet formerly Birchall, they lived at 6 hulls place st lukes Middx.
And i found a Annie Hubball 1857 St luke cenus 1871 parents are George and Harriet Hubball address is 26 Leonard st that i can read.

To everyone who has helped me with their info sending back and forward, a big thank you for your help and i hope i have thanked you personnally as well.

I cannot find a birth for the Mary Hubbart in the 1871, but there is a birth for a Mary Ann Tattersall, who I cannot find in 1881

1891 England Census
about Charles J Gladden
Name: Charles J Gladden
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: H D, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: South Hackney Ward
County/Island: London
Country: England


Occupation: Boot caster

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles J Gladden 34
Annie Gladden 33
Charles Gladden 9
Annie Gladden 7
Albert Gladden 5
George Gladden 2/12


So that baptisim record I posted is the correct one for this family

You need to get the marriage certificate for Charles and Annie to double check whether she was married before

I cant see anything at the moment that explains why Hubble is down as her maiden name

Could be the registra wrote down the wrong maiden name

or

Could be that Annie was born a Hubble and was adopted into a Tattersel family

Is this the 1871 you have. Image is Hubball:

1871 England Census
about Annie Hubbart
Name: Annie Hubbart
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: St Leonard
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
George Hubbart 35
Harriet Hubbart 33
Annie Hubbart 14
Mary Hubbart 6

Christine, which Annie have you found on the 1871? Tattersall or Hubball?

I have found this birth but cannot find this Annie on the census:


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
View Image
Name: Annie Tattersall
Birth: Dec 1856 - St Luke, Middlesex

Births Sep 1857 (97%)
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Hubble Annie Augusta Greenwich 1d 489



Christine what are the middle names on the birth cert you have?

There is 1 other Annie Gladden born around this time but her father is William Gladden.


Michelle

Is this the same girl? charles is a boot caster

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Annie Gladdin
Name: Annie Gladdin
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 19 Jan 1887
Father's Name: Charles James Gladdin
Mother's Name: Annie Gladdin
Parish: Christ Church, South Hackney
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

Maybe she was married twice?

I have found this marriage which may relate?- I will explore further.

Mariages Jun 1890

Claridge William Henry Bethnal Green 1c 341
***HUBBALL George Bethnal Green 1c 341
Hubball Gertrude Bethnal Green 1c 341
MILLO Eliza Bethnal Green 1c 341
***Tattersall Harriet Bethnal Green 1c 341

Dea x

EDIT: This is not the one !! However, it still may be a second marriage so I will see if I can find another.

Dea x

Thanks for info, this is the same as i have found, as for Annie Gladden 1884 this is the second cert. i have sent for to get the right one, could there be another Annie with a birth cert. with the same year and that Hubball is not the right person

Name: Charles James Gladden
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 709
spouse Annie Tattersel

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record

Charles James Gladden 1880 Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex
View Record

Annie Tattersel 1880 Bethnal Green Greater London, London, Middlesex

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Charles James Gladden
Name: Charles James Gladden
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 709 (click to see others on page)