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Hi there,

Sorry for my late reply, but I have been away for work for a few days and with no access to the pc!

Wow, that report from The Independent is awful; how so sad! For Rose to have lost both of her parents within months and then be subjected to a regime such as that is absolutely appalling! My father was at a catholic school in the 1960s and often tells of being hit with slippers and a nun ramming his forehead with her sovereign ring.

Thank you for the suggestion of writing to Nazareth House Headquarters in London; I did so some time ago now, and it was upon reading over the letter that I decided to look further into what became of Rose.

You correctly found Eliza's death in 1899; her admission papers to Nazareth House in Middlesbrough confirm her date of birth, but place her birth location as Southwark; they also state her name as Elizabeth NOT Eliza. She was admitteed on 18th June 1892 at the recommendation of the Board of Guardians, and her parents were stated as being dead. Elizabeth left the house on 13th June 1897, spending nearly five years there. Elizabeth`s death is noted from an annotation of her Nazareth House admission papers.

I wonder if Eliza's name was changed Elizabeth as it was seen as a more Catholic name, and to tie in with Nazareth House?

Now, what is sad is that I have made a connection about Rose's admission to Nazereth Huose in 1895; she was was admitteed to the house on 23 March 1895 at the recommendation of the Board of Guardians.

On 23 March 1895, Rose's aunt, Theresa Wood, my ancestor and sister of Catherine Feeney, was in Middlesbrough Police Court as a defendant against her husband who had assaulted her the previous Saturday night. He had blackened her eyes previously, refused to find work, and he had dragged her down the street by the hair, from a party that she was helping with.

Her husband was given two months hard labour, and vocally ostracized by the court. I now wonder if Rose was living with my branch of the family, and after the court case the authorities removed her from the house, placing her in Nazerath House.

I suppose if this is the case, it shows how ones actions can have a huge domino effect!

Oh I see

because you suggested a narriage???

It could still be but we have not found her 1911 yet.

Joy (AKA Maid Marion & Joy Kentish Maid) 2nd July 2010 23:29
From http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ there is a marriage Sept qr 1902 and 1903 for a Rose Feeney, both could be worth exploring.

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I do not understand Joy.

Mia culpa, me thinks, for inadvertently causing confusion re the surname! :-)

The reports are apalling Joan.
How sad for these children.
I wonder if Rose Ann was sent to Canada or Australia?

Found this posting on Ancestry

The records for Nazareth House, Middlesbrough are held in the London Headquarters of Nazareth House, the address you need to contact is:

Charity Name: Poor Sisters of Nazareth
Building: Nazareth House
Street: 169-175 Hammersmith Road
Town: London
County: London
Country: England
Telephone: 020 8748 3549
Fax: 020 8563 7421

I wrote to them a few years back and got a lovely letter back enclosing a small amount of info which was all they said they had on my relative who was in there from 1900 until 1901.

If you give them a ring they may be able to tell you whether they can help.

I wonder if this is Eliza?

Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
Feeney Elizabeth 18 Middlesbro' 9d 347

Rosie is the only Feeny at Nazerth House.
What clear handwriting.

Just checked onFMP but says born Manchester although she was so young when her parents died she may not have known.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, Mary Ellen
Institution: St Joseph's, Victoria Road Victoria Park Rusholme Manchester
FEENEY, Mary Ellen Scholar Single F 12 1889 Scholar
Manchester

I had noticed there was a Mary Feeney b Middlesbro. listed for Middlesbro.on the 1901 Census along with Rose F. but dont have access to see if she was also in NH also.could be Ellen (1891) was Mary Ellen.

Worth investigating to see if this might be the younger sister Ellen

Name: Mary Ellen Feeney
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Longsight St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: St Josephs

Hi there, and thank you for this information!

I feel I may have misled some people on here; when I wrote, Rose Feeney would have left the order under a different name, this was in response to someone saying that Rose could have married in the early 1900s.

As I know for fact she didn't leave Nazareth until 1908 as Rose Feeney, I was trying to discount that marriage suggestion!

But I suspect that due to my poor grammar I may have sent some people down the wrong track!

For that I apologise!

Hmmm, yes Rose Ann could of become a nun, and to be honest, I had thought of that myself! Now the death in 1969 could be interesting as could the marriage in Sleaford; trouble is, these are quite a long way from Middlesbrough, Yorkshire!

Hmmmm!!!!

Also, this is Rose's family:
1891 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, Rose Ann
Address: 81, Stapylton Street, Eston, Grange Town
FEENEY, James Head Married M 47 1844 Loader On Railbank
Ireland VIEW
FEENEY, Catherine Wife Married F 36 1855
Ireland Dublin VIEW
FEENEY, Thomas Son Single M 15 1876 Greaser On Railbank
Middlesborough
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, James Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Eliza Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Patrick Son M 7 1884 Scholar
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Rose Ann Daughter F 4 1887
Grange Town
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Ellen Daughter F 1 1890
Grange Town
Yorkshire

James and Catherine/Kate died within months of one another in 1892.

Also, you found her brothers Thomas and Patrick in 1911, and for some reason I couldn't find Thomas, although I did have his marriage!

Thank you for this!

Trouble is, where is Rose?!

And possibly another

1901 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, Patrick
Address: 3, 5, Jackson Street, Normanby, South Bank

LOUGHRAN, Thomas Head Married M 40 1861 Grocer & Beer Retailer
Ireland VIEW
LOUGHRAN, Cathren Wife Married F 39 1862
Middlesbro
Yorkshire VIEW
LOUGHRAN, Littia Daughter Single F 13 1888
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
LOUGHRAN, Cathren Daughter F 11 1890
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
LOUGHRAN, Maria Daughter F 9 1892
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
LOUGHRAN, Thomas Son M 7 1894
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
LOUGHRAN, John Son M 5 1896
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
LOUGHRAN, Mary E Daughter F 4 1897
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Patrick Servant Single M 17 1884 Grocer's Assistant
Middlesbro
Yorkshire

1911 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, Patrick John
Address: 24 Kindersley St North Ormesby Middlesbrough
FEENEY, Patrick John Head Married M 27 1884 Bakers Salesman Yorkshire South Bank VIEW
FEENEY, Caroline Wife Married F 24 1887 Yorkshire North Ormesby VIEW
FEENEY, James Leslie Son M 1 1910 Yorkshire North Ormesby

This looks like her brother


1901 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, Thomas
Address: 37, Laing Street, Eston, Grangetown Eston
ROWLANDS, Ellen Head Widow F 63 1838
South Shields
Durham VIEW
ROWLANDS, John Son Single M 28 1873 Labourer (Steel Works)
Middlesbro
Yorkshire VIEW
SPENCER, Edith Servant F 14 1887 Servant Domestic
Grangetown
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Thomas Boarder Single M 24 1877 Labourer (Steel Works)
Middlesbro
Yorkshire VIEW
CALLIGHAN, Barney Boarder Single M 30 1871 Labourer (Steel Works)
Ireland VIEW
GREEN, Alexandria Boarder Single M 16 1885 Labourer (Steel Works)
Grangetown
Yorkshire


1911 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, Thomas
Address: 64 Cheetham St Grangetown Yorkshire
FEENEY, Thomas Head Married
2 years M 35 1876 Steel Rail Examiner Middlesbrough Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Sarah Jane Wife Married F 34 1877 Boosbeck Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Thomas Wilfred Son M 0 (7 MONTHS) 1911 Grangetown Yorkshire

Here is the FMP version of 1891 as given before but gives address and where born. This would discount the James born Stocton

1891 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, Rose Ann
Address: 81, Stapylton Street, Eston, Grange Town
FEENEY, James Head Married M 47 1844 Loader On Railbank
Ireland VIEW
FEENEY, Catherine Wife Married F 36 1855
Ireland Dublin VIEW
FEENEY, Thomas Son Single M 15 1876 Greaser On Railbank
Middlesborough
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, James Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Eliza Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Patrick Son M 7 1884 Scholar
South Bank
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Rose Ann Daughter F 4 1887
Grange Town
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Ellen Daughter F 1 1890
Grange Town
Yorkshire

This is the same family but wife is Mary in 1891.
Could he have remarried and been widowed again?

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Feeney
Name: Elizabeth Feeney
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Middlesborough

James Feeney 40
Mary Feeney 39
Elizabeth Feeney 19
Annie Feeney 14
James Feeney 11
Christy Feeney

this would be the same James and ties in with Tania. Certainly a widower

1901 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, James
Address: 4, Lincoln Street, Middlesbrough
FEENEY, James Head Widower M 50 1851 Labourer Py Tom Wharf
Stockton
Durham VIEW
FEENEY, Elizabeth E Daughter Single F 28 1873 Housekeeper
Middlesbro
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, James Son Single M 21 1880 Labourer Py Tom Wharf
Middlesbro
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Christiana Daughter F 15 1886
Middlesbro
Yorkshire VIEW
FEENEY, Florence Daughter Single F 8 1893
Middlesbro
Yorkshire VIEW
ASH, George Son-In-Law Married M 25 1876 Labourer Shipyard
Watland on Tyne
Northumberland VIEW
ASH, Catherine A Daughter Married F 26 1875
Middlesbro
Yorkshire

1911 census - household transcription
Person: FEENEY, James
Address: 4 Licoln St Middlesbrough
FEENEY, James Head Widower M 59 1852 Collings Labour Thistle Green Stockton VIEW
FEENEY, Lizziebert Daughter Single F 38 1873 Housekeeper Middlesbrough VIEW
FEENEY, Florence Daughter Single F 19 1892 Middlesbrough


hmmm

possible

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MCKIE, Rose Annie
Address: 3 Mill Street Stockton-On-Tees
MCKIE, William Head Married M 26 1885 Shipyard Labourer Severn Scotland VIEW
MCKIE, Rose Annie Wife Married
1 years F 22 1889 Grangetown Yorks VIEW
MCKIE, John Brother M 12 1899 School Middlesbro VIEW
MCKIE, George Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Stockton on Tees Durham

but not

Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%)
CRILLEY Rose Stockton 10a 145
JOHNSON John William Stockton 10a 145
McKIE William Stockton 10a 145
Neal Rose Annie Stockton 10a 145