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grannyfranny
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20 Feb 2019 19:52 |
Thanks for that greyghost. I need to play with these.
The Lines descendant in Canada has helpfully sent details of her Lines ancestors, but in a file I cannot open, so will have to wait for IT consultant (son) to help me. She also wrote down a few bits. She says that George Keen b 2.3.1853 married an Emily Bond then also emigrated to Canada. So 4 of them emigrated altogether. She is the ggrandaughter of Thomas Lines.
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greyghost
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19 Feb 2019 22:44 |
I'm wondering about this family - William and Mary possibly grandparents??
Swalcliffe is no more than 2 miles away from Sibford Gower and Sibford Ferris and they are about 5 miles out of Banbury. Neithrop is now a suburb of Banbury.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Swalcliffe, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place William Spicer Male 64 1777 Oxfordshire, England Ag. Lab Mary Spicer Female 63 1778 Oxfordshire, England Thomas Spicer Male 13 1828 Oxfordshire, England Ann Spicer Female 9 1832 Oxfordshire, England
next door but one is William Spicer (Junior) 38 Ag. Lab Elizabeth Spicer 36 - not born in County Ann Spicer 12 Martha Spicer 2 Edwin Spicer 1
EDIT - also picking up this one via The Genealogist @ Sibford Gower - Elizabeth Spicer - Widow - 42 - Charwoman George Spicer - 12 - Ag Lab
Can't find any of the entries on that page on Find My Past
and there's this Spicer family too in Sibford Gower Joseph - 25 - Ag Lab Elizabeth spicer - 28 - George Spicer - 2 Jane Spicer - 10 weeks
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grannyfranny
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19 Feb 2019 22:20 |
Yes, that's what I thought.
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greyghost
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19 Feb 2019 22:16 |
Coincidental - AnGelina - Ann Selina ?????
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grannyfranny
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19 Feb 2019 19:41 |
I've just found a DNA match with one of the Lines family from Canada. On her tree she has Ann Spicer listed as Ann Selina Spicer, which gives another name to look up.......
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grannyfranny
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19 Feb 2019 17:12 |
Brilliant. many thanks greyghost!
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19 Feb 2019 16:44 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place J Upton Pauper Unmarried Male 60 1801 Stone Mason Lambeth, Surrey, England A Keen Pauper Widow Female 29 1832 Labourers Wife Sibford Gower, Oxfordshire, England C Turner Pauper Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Epwell, Oxfordshire, England J Carpenter Pauper - Male 10 1851 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England L King Pauper Unmarried Female 9 1852 Scholar Banbury, Oxfordshire, England N Woodfield Pauper - Male 0 1861 Infant Brockley
Enumeration district 15 Archive reference RG09 Piece number 920 Folio 58 Page 23
----------------------- 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place J Robert Pauper Widower Male 74 1787 Shoe Maker Bodicote, Oxfordshire, England H Brain Pauper Widow Female 67 1794 Labourers Wife Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England A Turner Pauper Unmarried Male 9 1852 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England E Watts Pauper Unmarried Female 24 1837 General Servant Great Bourton, Oxfordshire, England J Kean Pauper Unmarried Female 10 1851 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England A E Ingram Pauper - Female 3 1858 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England
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----------------------------------- 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place J Harrison Pauper Unmarried Male 44 1817 Weaver Banbury, Oxfordshire, England J Claridge Pauper Widower Male 63 1798 Labourer Bourton, Oxfordshire, England S Smith Pauper Unmarried Female 24 1837 General Servant Chipping Warden, Northamptonshire, England G Kean Pauper Unmarried Male 9 1852 Scholar Sibford __?, Oxfordshire, England H French Pauper Unmarried Female 29 1832 General Servant Milcombe, Oxfordshire, England A Franklen Pauper Unmarried Female 12 1849 Scholar Middleton Stoney, Northamptonshire, England M A Herbert Pauper - Female 4 1857 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place J Boss Pauper Widower Male 67 1794 Stone Mason Banbury, Oxfordshire, England M Gregory Pauper Married Female 83 1778 Labourers Wife Barby, Northamptonshire, England W Kean Pauper Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Sibford Ferris, Oxfordshire, England J French Pauper - Male 11 1850 Scholar Oxfordshire, England S Cliss Pauper Unmarried Female 9 1852 Scholar Oxfordshire, England G Turner Pauper - Male 0 1861 Infant Tadmarton, Oxfordshire, England
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grannyfranny
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19 Feb 2019 16:01 |
Greyghost, is that 1861 record a census? I've not found any other census for that year for the family.
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19 Feb 2019 15:25 |
The GRO listing shows William as William Jesse mmn Spicer (you thought William ? John)
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: KEEN, WILLIAM JESSE SPICER GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 560
Jane 1851 and George 1853 both show mmn Spicer and born Banbury RD
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Name: Age at Death (in years) KEEN, JOHN 41 GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 387
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Ann - A KEEN and the 3 children J, G and W KEAN all appear to be in the local workhouse in 1861 - Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury
Which shows a difference in spelling of the surname.
Angelina shortened to Ann and John Keen spelt with an E marriage in the right area around a year prior to the birth of Jane looks a good bet.
1851 - There are these couples both in the area - (Neithrop) John and Martha Mold aged 23 and 30 and John and Emma Jones 23 and 18 (child James 1851 mmn Hughes). and in Shoreditch Joseph and Ann BOYS both 24 b Banbury with daughter Mary Ann b 1850 Shoreditch - register shows BOYES mmn French
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19 Feb 2019 15:18 |
Many thanks for the help from all of you, lots to think about now!
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Dea
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19 Feb 2019 14:58 |
The above Edward's death cert can be seen here:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/cd89f1bd-a058-42a0-808f-e1ba10e045d2
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Maddie
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19 Feb 2019 14:30 |
LOOKS LIKE RHODA AGED 2O AND EDWARD AGED 15 TRAVELLING TOGETHER
Name: Edward Lines Gender: Male Arrival Age: 15 Birth Year: abt 1867 Departure Port: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland Arrival Date: 26 Jun 1882 Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada Vessel: Circassian Search Ship Database: Search for the Circassian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' databas
Name: Rhoda Lines Gender: Female Race: English Age: 84 Birth Date: 4 May 1862 Birth Place: England Death Date: 28 Aug 1946 Death Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada Father: Nk Lines Mother: Nk Lines Certificate Number: 023776 Reference Number: RG 80-08-0-2495
1891 Name: Ann Lines Gender: Female Marital status: Widowed Age: 58 Birth Year: abt 1833 Birthplace: England Relation to Head-of-house: Head Religion: Church of England French Canadian: No Father's Birth Place: England Mother's Birth Place: England Province: Ontario District Number: 132 District: York West Subdistrict: York West Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age Ann Lines 58 Rhoda Lines 28
1901 Name: Rhoda Lines Gender: Female Marital status: Single Age: 38 Birth Day & Month: 4 May Birth Year: 1862 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Maid Immigration Year: 1882 Racial or Tribal Origin: English Nationality: Canadian Religion: Church Of England Occupation: Cook Province: Ontario District: Toronto (west/ouest) (city/cité) District Number: 118 Sub-District: Toronto (West/Ouest) (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 5 Sub-District Number: D-10 Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age J Grant Redout 56 Charlotte Redout 87 Alice M Redout 26 Rhoda Lines
Name: Edward Lines Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1867 Death Age: 33 Death Date: 6 Dec 1900 Death Location: Victoria Registration Number: 1900-09-013945 BCA Number: B13079 GSU Number: 1927289
Name: Edward Lines Birth Date: 1867 Birth Place: Oxford, City of Oxford, Oxfordshire, England Death Date: 6 Dec 1900 Death Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Cemetery: Ross Bay Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Has Bio?: N Spouse: Dora Ellen Johnston Children: Edward Thomas Lines John David Lines URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Name: Edward Thomas Lines Birth Date: 2 Mar 1893 Birth Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Death Date: 10 Apr 1977 Death Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Cemetery: Royal Oak Burial Park Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Has Bio?: Y
Name: John David Lines Birth Date: 19 Jan 1898 Birth Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Death Date: 26 Mar 1962 Death Place: Jordan River, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Cemetery: Royal Oak Burial Park Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada Has Bio?: Y Father: Edward Lines Mother: Dora Ellen Johnston Spouse: Marvis Emily Lines URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
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Maddie
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19 Feb 2019 14:11 |
MARY 1881 Name: Mary A. Lines Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relationship to Head: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Sibford Ferris, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Leamington Priors County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 39 Russell Terrace Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Warwick ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: Piece: 3094 Folio: 33 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Eleanor Horley 55 Julia Horley 52 Thomas R. Horley 23 Harriett Smith 23 Mary A. Lines 18
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grannyfranny
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19 Feb 2019 13:52 |
That's very interesting maddie, thank you!
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Maddie
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19 Feb 2019 13:49 |
EDWARD 1881 ?, Sibford-Ferris, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ann Lines Head Widow Female 49 1832 Lab Widow Oxfordshire, England Edward Lines Son Single Male 13 1868 Ag Lab Oxfordshire, England Herbert Lines Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Oxfordshire, England
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19 Feb 2019 13:48 |
Marriage doesn't look right, the birth cert for Jane Keen in 1851 says John Keen and Ann (Spicer). I had a marriage recorded from somewhere, but can't find it now.
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Maddie
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19 Feb 2019 13:43 |
thomas jnr 1881 Thomas A. Lines
Name: Thomas A. Lines Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relationship to Head: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Sibford, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Swalcliffe Sibford Gower County/Island: Oxfordshire Country: England Street address: Handy Water Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Farm Serv (Indoor) Registration district: Banbury ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: Piece: 1525 Folio: 47 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Isaac Padbury 47 Hannah Padbury 47 George Padbury 18 Thomas A. Lines 15
LINES, AMOS THOMAS SPICER GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 640
Name: Thomas Amos Lines Gender: Male Age: 72 Birth Date: abt 1866 Birth Place: England Death Date: 8 Oct 1938 Death Place: York, Ontario, Canada Father: Thomas Lines Mother: Ann Spiar
Name: Amos S Lines Age: 28 Birth Year: abt 1871 Birth Place: England Marriage Date: 3 May 1899 Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada Father: Thomas Lines Mother: Ann Lines Spouse: Victoria A Fraser
1911 Name: Thomas Lines Gender: Male Marital status: Married Race or Tribe: English Age: 44 Birth Date: Dec 1866 Birth Place: England Census Year: 1911 Relation to Head of House: Head Immigration Year: 1884 Province: Ontario District: Toronto West District Number: 128 Sub-District: 143 - Ward 6 Sub-District Number: 143 Place of Habitation: 93 Westmorland Ave Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Lines 44 Victoria Lines 40 William George Lines 10 Charles E Lines 9 Olive B Lines 7 Francis Pouel Lines 19days Catharine Frunk 19
Name: Amos T. Lines Year of Record: 1884 Source/Event: Passenger List: Port of Halifax Comments: Arrived on the 'Parisian' Age: 18 Reference: National Archives of Canada: Microfilm Reel No. C-4512 page 8
Name: Annos T Lines Gender: Male Arrival Age: 18 Birth Year: abt 1866 Departure Port: Liverpool, England Arrival Date: 5 Apr 1884 Arrival Port: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada; Portland, Maine, USA Vessel: Parisian Search Ship Database: Search for the Parisian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
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19 Feb 2019 13:39 |
Could this be the marriage you're looking for?
https://www.freebmd.org.uk Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Boyes Joseph Banbury 16 63 French Ann Banbury 16 63 Glanvill Martha Banbury 16 63 Hughes Emma Banbury 16 63 Jones John Banbury 16 63 Keene John Banbury 16 63 <<<<< Mold John Banbury 16 63 Spicer Angelina Banbury 16 63 <<<<<<
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Maddie
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19 Feb 2019 13:32 |
rhoda 1881 Crockwell House, Canons Ashby, Daventry, Northamptonshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Ivens Head Married Male 47 1834 Farmer 400 Acres 9 Men 5 Boys Wroxton, Oxfordshire, England M A Ivens Wife Married Female 48 1833 Farmers Wife Warnford, Warwickshire, England John Richd Ivens Son Single Male 17 1864 Farmers Son Northamptonshire, England Jon Edmund Ivens Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Northamptonshire, England Caroline M Ivens Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Northamptonshire, England Marian Ivens Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Northamptonshire, England Sarah Dancer Nurse Widow Female 65 1816 - Ireland William Paxton Servant Single Male 19 1862 Farm Servant Claydon, Warwickshire, England Rodah Lines Servant Single Female 19 1862 Dairy Servant (Ag Lab) Oxfordshire, England ----------------------- Ann Ward Servant Single Female 14 1867 Domestic Servant Hinton, Northamptonshire, England
Name: Alice Lines Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Registration Year: 1871 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 0 Registration district: Banbury Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Oxfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 473
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19 Feb 2019 13:24 |
Name: Ann Lines Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Registration Year: 1896 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 74 Registration district: Banbury Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Oxfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 527
1871 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
School House, Sibford Ferris, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Lines Head - Male 66 1805 - Oxfordshire, England Ann Lines Wife - Female 39 1832 - Oxfordshire, England Laban Lines Son - Male 11 1860 - Oxfordshire, England Rhoda Lines Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Oxfordshire, England Mary A Lines Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Oxfordshire, England Thomas Lines Son - Male 5 1866 - Oxfordshire, England Edward Lines Son - Male 3 1868 - Oxfordshire, England Alice Lines Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Oxfordshire, England William Keen Wife's Son - Male 15 1856 - Oxfordshire, England
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