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Born November 1952 in Paddington to Antonio Jiminez (1913) and Ada Nobel (1913).. had difficulty in finding marriage certificates or possible offspring.. can anyone help!? Many thanks in advance.

Kate (Carmen's daughter - on behalf of her)

did they marry? Nobel is not mentioned on the birth reg

pm'd birth

MMN is show Jiminez

This is the thing, it is very complex, we believe his mother ''ada'' was really Audrey Hawthorn.. on his birth certificate she named herself as ada jiminez even though she did not marry antonio senior until 1957.

Antonio 1913 and Ada are his parents, I'm hoping to find more about Antonio born 1952 as we would love to track him down as he is my mums brother.

He may have gone to Spain but I dont know how to track this!?

so why did'nt she put her maiden name on the birth cert?

edit - only the father being Jiminez should have been on the cert or was'nt he mentioned

We dont truly know.. we think she wanted to cover her tracks and kept alias' as she obviously had something to hide.. she did the same with my mothers birth certificate, put her name as Audrey Jiminez even though he was married to somebody else.

Have you managed to find any info on Antonio Jnr.

pm marriage details

There are some marriages for Antonio but whether they are him or not?? Any Idea where he would have been living?

Thank you but this information is about his parents, are there any records for the younger Antonio Jiminez that was born 1952?

Kind regards.

i thought it was the parents you were after

There are at least 8 marriages slight difference in spelling of name though

no there are a lot more than 8 spelt jemenez or jimenez

No we have got all the records for the parents, I just added their info incase you needed it to narrow it down.

I did write about his mother in another thread and got rtold to delete and ask in this one. are there any marriage, or offspring for audrey j hawthorn?

Is the younger one we are trying to find.

Thanks.

Noble, not Nobel?

1958, not 1957?

Antonio Jimenez
Jiminez Or Noble
Apr-May-Jun 1958 Kensington

Audrey Hawthorn is a married name? None born 1913.
How can Ada Nobel/Noble have been born 1913 if she didn't actually exist?

Carmen wasn't born Jimenez/Jiminez?

Probably not all relevant, it just is very confusing.

Was Antonio not raised by his mother/parents? i.e. if he was adopted, could he have a different name?

There are two Audrey J Hawthorn births: 1922 Poplar and 1927 Birkenhead.

We should assume the Poplar one? She probably married 1949 in Harlow, Essex - ? There was a birth to that marriage registered in the first quarter of 1952. Antonio Jr's marriage was registered in the fourth quarter of 1952.

But how does an Ada Nobel 1913 come into this?? Is the DOB taken from the age on the 1958 marriage certificate?

I JUST KNEW IT.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1202026

Come on.

1913 was Antonio seniors birthdate.

My mum carmen was born a jiminez in 1950.

I understand that it's all very confusing.

Pardon?

Kate, your mother's birth just wasn't registered as Carmen Jiminez that I can find.
-- edit -- yes, found it, don't know why it wasn't turning up at first.

In the previous thread I had found Antonio Sr's death record, 1991 in Westminster.

I don't know about anybody else but I am just not following this.

Did Antonio and his wife -- Ada Nobel, Audrey Hawthorn ... -- live together with the children? How long has it been since Antonio Jr was last known of?

Kate, you had a thread about this family -- which I recalled because I worked on it -- and now you have started a new one. All that does is confuse matters.

- edit - apparently that was your mother who posted that thread.
If you click on "My threads" on the left you can find any threads she or you have posted in using her account.

My mother birth certificate is recorded as carmen jiminez born 11/09/1950.. It is on here.. Antonio jnr was last known off in England in his late teens.. He lived with Antonio snr and his mother.. But we don't know how ling for.

Thanks

from the previous thread..

"I am trying to find out information on my biological father Antonio Jimenez (spelling change to Jiminez in error when he arrived in England) What I know is he was born in jimena de la frontera, spain in 1913 and was the youngest of 14 children. We believe his mothers maiden name was roman and she originally came from Tangier,Morocco. He married in London in 1947 and had a son Stewart (my half brother who I am now in contact with) . He then went on to have myself in 1950 with an audrey hawthorn and then another son Antonio jiminez in 1952 (who we would also like to find out about)"

Name: Antonia Jimenez
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: Sep 1991
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Westminster
Inferred County: London
Volume: 15
Page: 1459

we sent off for the death certificate and it states the person as male so we are sure this was my father.

On the death certificate it states
:

Name & Surname of informant: Ann ******
Qualification: Niece

We find it quite weird that is says qualification and then niece.. do you know if this is where they normally put it if the person is related to them?