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Hi again Ellen.
The William Stirling who married Margaret Fraser 7 June 1835 is the son of John Stirling by his first wife Margaret Govan.
Regards,
Ian

Sorry if I am stating what you already know Ian. Have you tried looking for Janet's death under Jessie. It's a wee bit clutching at straws though if she was listed as Janet on the census records.

Was Janet dead or alive when Catherine married please?

Have you followed the William Sterling marrying in 1801.Mitchell Library does searches for those who can't visit.

I see there are only 1 set of banns for John Sterling's marriage ,so they were both in Rhu.What info did Scotlandspeople have on the marriage?

Row Kirk Session Family History Library Film Number
Various Records, Including Baptisms 1760–1823 0559522

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Hi again.
The marriage of Catherine Stirling to James Scott occurred 28 May 1854 at Barony, Glasgow. No mention is made of the parents of either so I don't know if Janet was alive or deceased.
Will try looking under Jessie, tomorrow. It is now 20 to 11pm. East Aust. Time and I definitely need my beauty sleep.
Thank you, good night.
Ian

Hi again Ellen.
The Scotlandspeople entry has no further info. than that contained in the Row Parish register i.e. both of this parish, banns 28 April, married 30 April 1832, no parents mentioned. Actually the entry is identical to the parish register.
Goodnight, will be back on line tomorrow evening.
Regards,
Ian

As the first mention of the Surname Stirling in Rhu is the marriage of William Stirling 1801 i can only surmise that the family moved there from elsewhere.We know John died early ,pre 1855 ,that leaves William,who i think was John's brother ?.Would he have claimed poor relief? I find it funny that a marriage for John Stirling and Margaret Govan is not coming up .Also if you use the Scottish naming process ,first son after father ,then John's father was Williiam ,and therefore there would be a son called after him.William c 1815 as mentioned in will,and the William marrying in 1801 a brother.Hope this makes sense to you as i am thinking it out as i type.

Hi Ellen.
'Nother day.

The William Stirling that married Susan Allan came from outside the parish. The Row parish record reads :-
"1801 April 20, The Rev'd William Stirling, Minister at the Port of Monteith, and Miss Susan Allan, youngest daughter of Mr. John Allan, Minister of this parish, proclamation of banns, April 18."

I must admit that I have not followed this possible connection up further but have decided to wait until I have been able to establish a more likely scenario.

Have also tried a possible marriage for John Stirling/Margaret Govan in the Scotlandspeople Non-conformist records without success. I have also tried to trace the deaths of John's other two children from his first marriage, Margaret & John, to confirm Margaret's surname as correct, same result.

Regards,
Ian

There is a big age difference in the 1841 Census when Janet states c 1796 ,and the 1851 Census where she states c1809.?

Hi Ian,As we don't have John's first marriage we can't tell if he was born in Rhu.

I agree you need another death of his children,as mistakes in naming the parents do happen LOL.

Just thinking ,at the time of John's death ,would any of the children have been married ?

You have to ask yourself what would a minister fromPort of Monteith be doing in Dumbartonshire.Although that's not to say he was born there LOL

3653. WILLIAM STIRLING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 OCT 1771 Port Of Monteith, Perth, Scotland

I think that takes care of my Brother theory .only johnis this one
3658. JOHN STIRLING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 MAR 1764 Port Of Monteith, Perth, Scotland
Different parents to William ,and fr to early to be our John

Can I just correct something said earlier. In Scotland if a widow remarries she has never been required to marry under her married name. There are three options;

Marry under her married name.
Marry under her maiden name (if she has reverted back to using it)
Marry under the name she is currently known by (she may have assumed a current or previous partners name)

When submitting notice of intension to marry with the Registrars office, she must do so in the name she is currently using (so when Banns were displayed, or nowadays when Notice of Intention to Marry is displayed, then those people who know her will recognise the name (she is known by) and be able to object if required.

There is no requirement in law in Scotland to take your husbands name when you marry, it is just common practice.

These practices still apply today when I am Registering marriages here in Scotland.

Hi Tombul.
Thank you for your input. As far as known she was known as Janet Stirling i.e. 1841/51 census.
I know her daughter Catherine was in Barony in the 1851 census, 40 Hill Street, age 20, general servant to a Johnston family. I will just have to extend my search further as she may have joined her daughter in Glasgow. Odd though that the combination of Stirling/McAuslan or similar does not appear on the Stat. Death or Marriage Records. Maybe she died in the period 1851 Census to Jan. 1855.
Regards,
Ian

Ellen
As William was named first in John Stirling's Testament I presumed that he was the eldest child. The 1851 census confirms that he was born c.181
I think there is a possibility that his mothers name was incorrect on his death cert. in 1869. I have tried using the OPR's to find a William, Margaret and John all born to a John Stirling and a common spouse without success.
As both John sen. and William were stonemasons I will write to the Mitchell Library to see if any apprenticeship or registration records exist for such.
Regards,
Ian

As Janet Stirling nee Auslan is not comming up in "Scotlandspeople" under those names i presume she died pre 1855.No matter if she married again after John Stirlings death ,she should still have came up.

Hi Ellen.
I agree, but it all depends on what the person making the death report knows, maybe very little of Janet's past life.

Have written to Mitchell Library for possible info. on stonemason registration.

Also to the Reference Librarian at Argyll & Bute Library Service (Helensburgh) to see if they know of the whereabouts of the Old Burgher Church and the Missionary Meeting House records which were operating mid 1830's according to "Pigots Directory". No mention of them appear in the record listings of ScotlandsPeople.

Will keep testing the old brainbox and hope for an inspired moment.

Regards,
Ian