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So we may as well mess around with that a little.
1891
Name: Edward G S Smyth
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Sie Edward S (Sir, of course)
Mother's Name: Lucy J S Lady
Where born: Black Rock, Ireland
Occupation: Major in the Army, Rl Irish Rifles
Civil parish: Sunbury
Town: Sunbury
County/Island: Middlesex
Sie Edward S Smyth 73 - Genl in the Army, JP for Mdsx, born Belfast
Lucy J S Lady Smyth 61 - born Armagh
Edward G S Smyth 39 - married, no wife in evidence
Geraldine L I Haggard 29 - daughter of Sir Edward, married
Christopher A Haggard 5
Pamela P Haggard 3
Mab G Haggard 1
Could be of interest, one never knows.
In 1881 the sister is Geraldine Smyth, living with the parents and unmarried, and there are no other children of the couple with them.
Ditto in 1871 - Geraldine S Smith living with mother Lucy S Smith in Richmond, Surrey, no other kids there.
In 1861, Edward and Lucy are in Devon with her sister Francis Harvey (born in Florence) and son Edward, and no other kids.
If Florence was the daughter of an Irish aristocrat, the aristocrat has to be Smyth, right?
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Hello Janey,
Yes so I am led to believe but as you say It may not be the case, I have been trying to get hold of the last of Florence's Grandaughter's as she actually lived with her to see if she can give me any more information but I have had no response back yet.
Thanks for you help with this
Tracey (Lawrence's Wife)
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Aargh, I thought I had something, but no.
The Smyths above -- wife/mother was:
EDWARD SELBY SMYTH
Spouse: LUCY JULIA SOPHIA CAMPBELL
Marriage: 20 NOV 1848 , , Ireland
Batch No.: M701979
So I looked for a Campbell + De Burgh marriage (which would be a sister of Lucy / aunt of Edward Jr marrying a De Burgh) -- and almost had one.
But it turned out to be a female Campbell and a female De Burgh listed on the same GRO index page (St George Hanover Square, 1851, it looked so perfect). Drat, eh?!
Most of the De Burgh marriages in England were women, actually.
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Thank you anyway
I have been on the wikipedia site looking at the Rowland Hill and Caroline Pearson link from the Biography of Sir Rowland Hill but cant keep my eyes open any longer so calling it a night.
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Well, my Edward Smyth is still looking interesting!
http://thepeerage.com/p36145.htm#i361446
Lt.-Col. Edward Guy Selby Smyth1
M, #361446, d. 30 July 1904
Lt.-Col. Edward Guy Selby Smyth was the son of General Sir Edward Selby Smyth. He married Georgina Florence Bury, daughter of Hon. John James Bury and Charlotte Theresa Austin, on 24 June 1879. He died on 30 July 1904.
Lt.-Col. Edward Guy Selby Smyth gained the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel in the service of the Royal Irish Rifles.
1901 in Sunbury, Middlesex:
Edwd G Solly Smyth 49
Georgina F Smyth 45
Lucy T Smyth 20
Eva B Smyth 18
Mary Brown 30
Agnes J State 36
Ethel Hills 19
Gwen Hughes 42
Margaret Clayton 19
Ah, how interesting.
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/caj/documents/vol_12/iss_1/CAJ_Vol12.1_12_e.pdf
Lieutenant-General Sir Edward Selby Smyth, KCMG, was a British officer who served first as Adjutant-General and then later General Officer Commanding the Canadian Militia from 1874 to 1880. Despite his British heritage, he is recognized as the first post-Confederation commander of the Canadian Army.
Born in Belfast, Ireland, on 31 March 1819, Selby Smyth was educated at Chiswick, Middlesex, and Putney College, Surrey. He entered the British Army on 26 January 1841, and was appointed an ensign by purchase with the 2nd Queen’s Royal Regiment. Serving with his regiment in India, he was the Brigade Major to the Forces in the Southern Concan and Sawant Warree country during the Campaign of 1844 and 1845, where he saw considerable action with his unit. Again by purchase, he became a Captain on 4 August 1848, and was appointed Adjutant of the battalion and Aide-de-Camp to Major-General Sir Guy Campbell.
Smyth accompanied his regiment to South Africa on the outbreak of the Kaffir War in 1850. He served with distinction during the campaign and was mentioned in General Orders for his conduct in command of a column in action at Fish River Bush. Smyth also commanded one of the detached columns at the battle of Berea, where again he displayed exceptional command and earned himself a brevet majority. Following the war, Smyth served first as Deputy Assistant Quartermaster-General, Cape of Good Hope, from May 1853 to March 1855, and then as Deputy Quartermaster-General at the Cape until June 1861.
In 1860 he was detached from his regiment and appointed Inspector-General of Militia in Ireland, a post he held for six years. In 1867, while the flying columns he had organized against the Fenian political movement were at work, he was selected to act as Adjutant-General of the Army in Ireland, and was simultaneously made a Special Magistrate for the County and City of Dublin, to use troops independently in case of rebellion. In March 1868 he was promoted to the rank of Major-General, and in 1870 was made General Officer in Command of the Forces in Mauritius, in the southern Indian Ocean. While there, he acted twice as Governor during 1870 and 1871.
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And a load more. He wasn't an ambassador (which didn't make sense anyway), but he held high government rank; and his son didn't die in a diamond mine, but there's a definite South African connection there! Want him? ;)
http://www.aufa16.dsl.pipex.com/thomasaustin/tree/pafg05.htm
Georgina Florence BURY was born on 1 Feb 1856. She died in 1939.
Georgina married Lt.Col. Edward Guy SELBY-SMYTH on 24 Jan 1879 in Ottawa. Edward died on 30 Jul 1904.
Deaths Sep 1904
SMYTH Edward Guy S 53 Staines 3a 3
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=31&dat=18751122&id=
7f8CAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1SUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1395,759114
The Times, Ottawa, Nov 22, 1875
Lieutenant Edward Guy Selby Smyth, 86th Royal Regiment, from the staff at the Cape of Good Hope, is appointed Aide-de-camp to Major-General Selby Smyth, from the 1st inst., with rank of Captain in the Militia, ... .
Long shot that it's at all related, but it's interesting!
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Hi Janey,
This looks good - just found out that Florence used to go a visit relations (not the Pausey's) in staines/sunbury area - so this could be him - we just have to link him to a hewlett somehow.
Thanks so much for your help we would never have got this far without you all.
Lawrence
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I doubt very much that you'll link him to a Hewlett -- same problem as for my great-aunt, events took place between censuses (and in your case possibly outside England).
But gosh the Staines/Sunbury connection is interesting, isn't it??
Dang, I'm good. ;)
Not sure whether you caught the Canadian bit.
Smyth Jr was appointed aide-de-camp to Smyth Sr *in Canada* in late 1875.
This could coincide with a pregnancy in Ireland around that time, if he was in Ireland then. Called to Canada by his father? Trying to trace his trajectory around that time would be the trick.
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