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Have just found Mary's baptism record again to Evan (Carpenter) and Jane
baptised 3.8.1851 date of birth March 1st 1851
4 Salisbury Street Camden St Pancras

so that ties up with the date of birth from the census?

Mary's baptism;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Jones
Name: Mary Jones
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 3 Aug 1851
Father's Name: Evan Jones >> Carpenter
Mother's Name: Jane Jones
Parish: St Pancras Parish Church
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

Address; 4 Salisbury Street

Her DOB is 1st March 1851.


Dee x

That's a great find!! I would say the chances of it not being your family is a million to one!!!

What a great result!!

Dee x

Janet,

I wonder if they were extremely unlucky and lost alot of children whilst they were very little? Here's the same family in 1851;

1851 England Census
about Mary Jones
Name: Mary Jones
Age: 3w
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Evan
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Hoxton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Evan Jones 32
Jane Jones 32
Edward Jones 7
Jane Jones 5
Elizabeth Jones 3
Mary Jones 3w


So John who would be 10 years old is missing here.....
A good census though, because if it is your family you can narrow down Marys DOB as this census was taken 30 March 1851, making Mary's birth around 9th March.


Dee x

Have just found Winifred and Catherine's baptism record on Ancestry to Evan and Mary (also a Margaret)

the address at time of baptism is 92 Mansfield Street, when my great grandmother was christened in 1873 her address was 93 Mansfield Street, it must be them?

I wonder where they had all gone then the older children were presumably off and away but Winifred and Catherine would have been too young.

this gives me the places of birth of Ephraim /Evan and his wife though but not sure I can face a search for Jones in Wales just at the moment.!

thanks for finding them on these censuses

Looks like them in 1871, but no children with them!!

1871 England Census
about Evia Jones
Name: Evia Jones
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: St Berriew, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 198
Household Members: Name Age
Evia Jones 55 >> carpenter
Jane Jones 55 >> Born Machynlleth
George Fields 21 Lodger
John Pearce 22 lodger


So this isn't really much help.

Dee x

Yes that's what I was thinking?

Mary Jones' (Beinder's) first son was called Francois and the second Edward Evan Beinder so it is more than a possibility. I see they are Welsh Joneses.

Hi Janet,

just haven't found the same family in 1871 yet.... but it could be that they couldn't understand his accent as he was from North Wales and just put down Evan.


Dee x

that looks a distinct possibility doesn't it (if you didn't know how to spell Ephraim?) and they are a Hackney family down the line a bit.

Hi Janet,

just incase;

1861 England Census
about Mary Jones
Name: Mary Jones
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Evan
Mother's Name: Janes
Gender: Female
Where born: Shorditch, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West
ED, institution, or vessel: 16e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 144
Household Members: Name Age
Evan Jones 42 >>> Carpenter
Janes Jones 41
John Jones 20
Edward Jones 17
Mary Jones 10
William Jones 7
Genefred Jones 1
Catherine E Jones 1


Dee x

Trying to go back further to find parents of this lady Mary Jones (sorry!)

she married Francois Beinder (not so bad) in Church of St John at Hackney on 24/12/1871 (image on Ancestry London Archives transcribed Francis Bender and Mary Janes).

Mary's father is Ephraim Jones (Carpenter) and witnesses are Henry Jordan and Winifred Jones Would like to find Ephraim and Mary on censuses before she married to find some idea of her mother/parents marriage(maybe she was Winifred?). I know what happened to her after she married.

Thanks

janet