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hi maureen
thankyou for your info
much app
gayle

Hi Gayle,
Now I understand.....
That's from the 1901 census. It's just a transcription error-they all read Hidden on the image,but the next household is Drinkwater and Ancestry has managed to intertwine the 2 households so that it looks as though they are one family.
They're not!

Maureen

hi maureen
its me again

i have aquery

i was looking for james hidden born 1864
and on there was aname of drinkwater,
i have founf all of the chirdren have these two names
the mother is mary faultless
thankyou
gayle

As I said in my e-mail,Gayle,I'm stumped. That sure looks like Holtom or Holton to me! Do let us know what it says on Joseph's cert.
Have you looked in Search Trees? Someone else seems to have Charles Faultless on there.

Maureen

HI Maureen. I have emailed you through hotmail due to not being able to attach the scanned images through here. I hope this is okay for you.

From,

Gayle.

Hi Gayle,
I'll PM you my e-mail addy so that I can take a look. It's odd that her birth certificate would have been altered. Have you considered getting the one from 1894? (or is there some point that I'm not grasping?)

Maureen

My daughter is helping me search for all the missing pieces aswell, she has just ordered Joseph Hiddens Birth Certificate from Worcestershire and should be sent out by 29th June if not earlier if they find it, maybe then we will find out if his and bessie's parents are the same people or if Mary was "holton" like on my nans birth certificate?
Also, would it be possible to send you either a scanned copy of my nans birth certificate which I have here or to send it through the post as a copy that I can print so you can read it and see what you make of it? I find it unlikely that the "Holton" name on it isn't correct but then she may be hiding her name or something.

hi maureeninNY and Astra

thankyou so much for all this new data iam still trying to put it together

youdid awswer who was elibeth Wright was andthnyou both for it.

my nan birth cert was re issured on the year 1949, with her mum being a holton is is possible that was on the cert wrong where her mum was concered, thankyou very much

gayle

hi maureeninNY and Astra

thankyou so much for all this new data iam still trying to put it together

youdid awswer who was elibeth Wright was andthnyou both for it.

my nan birth cert was re issured on the year 1949, with her mum being a holton is is possible that was on the cert wrong where her mum was concered, thankyou very much

gayle

Astra-neither do I. I'm just so happy that they are found.
Mx

You're welcome Maureen but I still don't see how Holton can be anything like Faultless!

PS-So who did that? (the corrections to the 1901) I hadn't refreshed (thought I had).

Mx

YES!!! Astra-you are a star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That makes sense and Henry's handwriting is exactly the same.
Name: Henry Wright
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Faulker (F*ness on image)
Spouse Age: 30
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Sep 1891
Parish: St Mary, Staines
County: Surrey
Borough: Spelthorne
Father Name: William Waterloo Wright
Spouse Father Name: Charles Faulker dec'd coachman

Maureen

If she was Eliza Faultless who then became Elizabeth then her and Mary were sisters


Mary Faultless
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: West Bromwich, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Wednesbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 181
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Faultless 40
Sarah Faultless 42
William Faultless 19
Charles Faultless 17
Joseph Faultless 16
>>Eliza Faultless 10
>>Mary Faultless 9
Hannah Faultless 6

In 1891 Elizabeth was in Staines working as a servant. So this would be where she met and married Henry Wright


Elizabeth Faulttess
[Eliza Faultless]
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Great Bridge, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Staines
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Staines
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
P W De La Motte 42
Elizabeth Faulttess 30
Fanny Cheney 22

According to a change made on the 1901 where James is a Jobbing Gardener Mary was Mary Faultless.
Which means that this could be the marriage of Elizabeth Faultless to Mr. Wright

Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
>>Faultless Elizabeth Staines 3a 24
James Harriet Minnie Staines 3a 24
THOMAS Cadwallader Staines 3a 24
>>Wright Henry Staines 3a 24

So this would be Mary's marriage

Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)

Barnett James Dudley 6c 28
>>Faultless Mary Dudley 6c 28
>>HIDDEN William Henry J Dudley 6c 28
WASSELL Mary Ann Dudley 6c 28

So James did not become William Henry between 1901 and 1911 I suspect he was William Henry James and chose to call himself James.

hi emily maud hidden was at 15poplar rd sparkshill yardley, at time of birth

herdad was aassurance agent, her mum is called mary holton, now it could
be holtom, the writng id birth cert is abit hard to read,

I am unable to find elibeth wrights maiden name , thats the lady that took on bessie hidden when she was 12,

im sorry for the confusing data i feel now that we wou,t get very far with this hidden family and i know im am asking a lot of qustions .
gaylexxx

That is puzzling,Gayle. I just don't see a marriage for HOLTON and HIDDEN. But you say that at the time of their marriage they were living at 15 Poplar Rd? (or did you mean when Emily was born that's where they were living?)
I do hope that H.Elizabeth's birth certificate will shed a little more light on the subject.

Best,
Maureen

hi maureeninNY

emily maud parents are James hidden/ mary holton and at time of marrige they were living at 15 populor rd sparkshill yardley.

im still lookingfor mary holton and where she lived before she came mary hidden,then i might be able to find out why
ELIBETH WRIGHT had bessie hidden living with her from the age of 12yrs

thnkyou very much for your helpx

Uh-yes-do get the marriage cert.
You obviously have Emily Maud*s birth certificate.

I'm still a little bit confused, Was Emily's Mum"s maiden name difficult to read?


Maureen