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Ruth, if you want to pursue the Christopher Leek avenue I've found a potential family.Not proveable but maybe worth exploring.
Julie

Dear Ruth

I have just joined the site, and discovered we share a half sister - Stephanie Ann b 1954. I only knew her to 1958, when I was 9 or 10. In case it helps, I don't remember her having any health problems.

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Denise (maiden name Greig)

I was called away last night just after posting the 1881 details and I also wondered if Christopher Leek became Henry.

Do you have the death certs for Henry and Rosana as it would seem that this is the furthest you are going to get back.

Christine

just looking at those two baptisms of Martha and Moses sons,


Herbert Henry died age 3, his brother John ( I think as he is not with Martha and Moses in 1881) age 15...

so that could be one reason they adopted 'Christopher' and renamed him Henry?

Which still doesn't help with your need to know medical history I'm afraid.

apologies if this has already been added, need to read back to where i left last night

Births Dec 1873 (>99%)

Leek Christopher William Lewisham 1d 927

Just a thought.................there seems to be an assumption that Ruth's cousin has been tracking the family when in fact all Ruth has said is that her cousin talked to her grandparents to get the info re Henry being born a Leek.
So a crucial question would seem to be - is the cousins info just based on family lore? If it is then the 1881 census that Christine posted would be a strong indication that Christopher Leek became Henry Radley? Hope that makes sense.
Julie

Bed time I think for me,nite nite god bless to you all.

Maryb

Mary


that sounds as feasible as anything else that we have found so far!



but I'm not sure that it helps Ruth to any greater extent


we don't know if that is his mother


we don't know his father (and there is no notation on the image of the parish register as to putative father).




sylvia

In 1881 Martha Radley was a monthly nurse,maybe she had been looking after Christopher when his mum died.
1871 the radleys were in District 14 image 19 St pauls Deptford.
1871 Jane Leek born 1855 her dad was HENRY C Leek they were in District 25 image 26,could this be the Annie Jane Leek 1856 died 1874???????

Maryb

Christopher William Leek was born to Annie Leek, in the Lewisham Union Workhouse, and was baptised privately


that was I think usually done when the baby was sickly when born





sylvia

That's what I was thinking Maryb.........and there may be no connection family wise to the Radley's at all.......they would probably have been paid to take him in??

Mary

I suppose that is possible


but why change both his names?

Sorry to but in but if Christopher Leek is with Moses in 1881 and he was born in Lewisham 1874 then why can't he be Henry radley.
I can't see Christopher in 1891 but can see Henry Radley 1891 and visa versu can't see Henry 1881 but can see Christopher.

I have been out for a couple of drinks so forgive me .
It seems to me we have one in the same person here,or am i missing something.

Maryb

Annie Jane Leek born @ 1856 died 1874 in St George Hanover Square Middlesex.

Rose,

I agree.
In my daughters case, nothing known regarding the grandparents with this illness, but out of 12 children of this couple, 3 possibly 4 have this, all being recently found out, my daughter is the the first of the grandchildren with it .

Mutations may also arise, and cause a genetic illness

I've just come back on, and wanted to say a relative asked me a similar question recently re a genetic condition...none of the family I have traced on the two sides that connect us appear to have suffered from it...but that's really the thing, it is only modern diagnostics that have pinpointed the condition...it would just have been an 'educated guess' in times past.

Someone may indeed have suffered from it, but other illnesses were ascribed. I don't want to pry either, but only you know if it was something that would be 'obvious' , though if it is baffling your doctor i assume it isn't.

I think we are at a full stop



There was no formalized adoption until about 1927 ..... so there will be no documents to find


Before 1927, adoptions took place, but they were usually informal ones with family or friends taking in babies, or stranger adoptions from orphanages.


Usually no documents, although occasionally orphanages kept records




We've got Henry with Moses and Martha going quite a way back ................. no sign of a Leek


No sign of a family connection between them .............. though they probably knew each other as it would have been quite a small place in those days.



so if he was indeed adopted or taken in by Moses and Martha, there is I'm afraid no way to tell who his parents were.



and anyway ......... you would have to buy the death certificate of every possible member of the family to see if any one had died of the illness that your daughter has.



Have you traced back ALL of the other lines that contribute to your daughter's genetics??


Your parents and your grandparents

Her father's and his parents and grandparents.


Sometimes a genetic illness may lie latent (for want of a better word) for one or more generations





sylvia

I wonder if this is the Christopher Leek (adopted) that Christine posted on page 2? Annie Leek appears to be unwed??

Name: Christopher William Leek
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 23 Nov 1873
Mother's Name: Annie Leek
Parish: St Mary
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

Mary

because that side of the family we can trace back a long way, no sign

Hi Ruth,

I have to agree with Sylvia.

Why do you think that your side of the family are the ones that passed this illness on?

I don't mean to pry, it's just that my daughter has just discovered that hers is passed on from her father, his family did confirm it when they learn't that she was in hospital, but we had no idea before she was taken ill last month.

Kind regards
Amanda x