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Hi Mary, thanks for the info which seems to knock the Sedgley Mary Ann Ward out of contention.
Sorry for delayed reply but had a lot of cabbages etc to plant and weeding of allotment - and now bad back.........

Hi Frances,thats what I thought about the birth place of Mary Ann.
I can't confirm what I wrote as I copied the info off the tree.
Maybe the owner of the tree has the wrong Mary Ann,but there again they are living in the same area as Clara's parents in 1871.

I'll have a look at other census for Mary Ann Crump and see what it says for place of birth.



Maryb
In 1881 says mary Ann Crump born West Brom
1891 mary Ann Crump Dudley
1901 Mary Ann Bromyard Herefordshire
1911 Mary Ann Crump married 49 years born 1841 Dudley they are at 9,Andover Street Sheffield.
So this looks to me as the same Mary Ann who is sister of Clara who were in Nether Hoyland.

Hi Mary, is the Mary Ann Ward 1841 West Bromwich who married George Crump the same Mary Ann from Sedgley (Upper Gornal) as Sedgley and West Bromwich are some distance apart

1851 James born Welbourn herefordshire a Joiner born 1815
Mary ann
Mary 10 Sedgley
Clara 8

Disrict 10 image 7
Sedgley
Parish Upper GORNAL
This is same family as on 1861 in Nether Hoyland.

Maryb

1871 James Ward 1815 Jioner
Mary Ann 1816
No Mary or Clara
Still in Hoyland Yorkshire
District 9 67.


EDIT a tree on Ancestry with this family has,
James Ward 1815 married Mary Ann Gough had 10 or more kids including Mary Ann and Clara BUT they have Mary Ann 1841 West Bromwich Staffs married to George Crump in Rotherham 1861 and had 9/10 kids between 1862 and 1885.
1871 they were in Hoyland district 9 47,the same area as James 1815 and Mary Ann 1816 were at D9 67 Hoyland

Sorry Mary, I must have been posting overlapping yours.
This family is trying very hard to be difficult!
I have had a look at the map and Sedgley is not very far fron Gornal (see 1881 above for Clara) and Registration District is Dudley so
Births Mar 1841
Ward Mary Ann Dudley
18 326

could well be the match. As both 'sisters' got married in Leeds perhaps the whole family migrated north from Nether Hoyland after '61 - just need the 1866 census to prove this lol

There is
Births Jun 1846
Ward Mary Dudley
18 395

but Clara does not show up as such, only
Births Dec 1842
Ward Female Dudley
18 307

The 1851 census for them as sisters would possibly be convincing proof and hopefully provide their parents?

1861 Nether Hoyland Yorks district 9 16
James Ward 1817 Herefordshire
Mary Ann 1817 Hereford
Mary Ann Ward Sedgley Staffs 1841
Clara 1843 Sedgley.

Maryb

I've just been loking for Nathaniel and Mary from your other thread.

If someone can check this census for Clara Ward you should be able to find if she had a sister Mary.

Clara Ward name,
name abt 1843 city, Staffordshire, England relation city, Yorkshire

Christine

I think you are right Frances.

The only confusion really was that the 1911 census had William transcribed as William K. instead of what was actually on the image which Vera said was William F.

Kath. x

I have been looking again at all the evidence and whilst waiting for a birth certificate I am pretty certain that Marie Elizabeth's mother is Jane Booth.
Births Dec 1873
Booth Jane Leeds
9b 470

looks to be the only one that matches but in the 1881 she has already left home!
1881 Census
Henry GOZZARD
Head M Male 39 Leeds, York, England Bricklayer
Clara GOZZARD
Wife M Female 37 Gornal, Stafford, England (Lower Gornal is next to Dudley)
Jane BOOTH
Niece Female 7 Leeds, York, England Scholar
Dwelling: 6 East Grove Street, Leeds, Yorkshire

Playing with the name combinations I have reached

Marriages Dec 1867
Gozzard Henry Leeds
9b 480

Ward Clara Leeds
9b 480


Marriages Jun 1866
BOOTH Nathaniel Kirkstall
9b 356

Ward Mary Kirkstall
9b 356


Births Dec 1845
Booth Nathaniel Halifax
22 230

Hi Kath and Vera,
I thought you had both called it a day after I had agreed to get the granddaughter of Marie Elizabeth and George Gray (yes, you were correct on her marriage) to get the birth certificate - though she doesn't know yet!

Frances,
Please will you let us know, what is on the birth certificate,
Thanks.

Regards Vera

I wonder if this is Marie's marriage:-

Name: Marie E Nichols
Spouse: George A. Gray
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1929
Registration district: Leeds North
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire- West Riding
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 599

If so this could be her death:-

Name: Marie Elizabeth Gray
Birth Date: 23 Dec 1902
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1995
Age at death (estimated): 93
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Register number: C57A
District and Subdistrict: 0811C
Entry number: 199

Perhaps Frances knows whether this is the right person.

Kath. x

I have to admit to being a bit short on patience when the answer seems so close but birth certificates take time to obtain.

I think we'll have to leave it to Frances to buy Marie's birth certificate - although I'm pretty sure in my own mind that her parents will be William Frederic Nichols and Jane Booth.

Kath. x

Kath,
As you can gather I am confused....think I had better give it a rest for today.
I found that one where Walter should be William .
Regards Vera

Hi Vera,

No - I don't think that is William K. Nichols. I think going by the number of years married it is more likely to be the couple from this marriage:-

Name: William Nichols
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 602

Also on the page is Jane Fenton

On the 1901 census this family has William mistranscribed as Walter (but the image definitely says William - and he is a Cloth Dresser.

Kath. x

1911

I found this family....its got to be the William K

NICHOLS, William Head Married M 46 1865 Cloth Dresser Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
NICHOLS, Jane Wife Married
21 years F 41 1870 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
NICHOLS, George Son Single M 16 1895 Errand Boy Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
NICHOLS, Grace Daughter Single F 18 1893 Paper Bag Maker Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
NICHOLS, Alice Daughter F 14 1897 Mender Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
NICHOLS, Blanche Daughter F 11 1900 School Girl Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
NICHOLS, Lilian Daughter F 5 1906 School Girl Leeds Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26960 Reference:
RG14PN26960 RG78PN1547 RD500 SD2 ED17 SN266

Registration District:
Leeds Sub District:
North Leeds Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Leeds

Address:
40 Argyle Place Leeds County:
Yorkshire (West riding)



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Regards Vera

Same family in the 1881 census:-

Name: William F. Nichols
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Sunny Bank
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 71
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

William Nichols 56, Bricklayer
Elizabeth Nichols 49
Ann E. Nichols 16, Bonnet Maker
William F. Nichols 13

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4535; Folio: 45; Page: 42; GSU roll: 1342091.

Kath. x

Possibly him in the 1871 census with his parents:-

Name: William F Nichols
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 56
Household schedule number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age

William Nichols 47, Foreman Bricklayer, born Longwood, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Nichols 38
Annie E Nichols 6
William F Nichols 2

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4566; Folio: 84; Page: 8; GSU roll: 847143.

Kath. x