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Hi Wayne,
Can you look at my thread just near yours titled Australian/English records. Many thanks .
Barbara

Hello Tracey,

Thank you for your help. Maybe I'll have to contact Kew.

Best wishes,
Andy

Hi Tracey

Thanks for the offer. Here is my White family - some of what I managed to save before I accidentally deleted the original White thread (with grateful thanks to my many GR helpers like Choccy). Because Sarah and Louisa are a little less easily tracked than the Isabella & Matilda who I did trace I had more or less given up on them. There were many deaths in Hungerford betwen 41 & 51 - they might have been amongst them OR they might have moved to London as Isabella and Matilda did - but how do you trace their marriages amongst so many Whites? Want to have a shot at it? If you find out anything else about Sylvanus Jnr and Alfred after they got to Australia that would be a real bonus. Is this enough to keep you from being bored?

1841 living at High Street, West Side, Berkshire:
WHITE Sylvanus 50 1791 Berkshire (shown as Tailor on Matilda's Marriage Certificate) (Died Hungerford Dec 1848)
WHITE Sylvanus 20 1821 born 17 Feb 1819 baptised 14 Mar 1819 Hungerford emigrated with wife Mary Ann (Steeden)
WHITE Sarah 20 1821 (bn 14/02/1821 x 11/03/1821)
WHITE Ewd 15 1826 (Lived Hampshire + family - no info wanted)
WHITE Isabella 13 1828 married William Braithwaite 1848 at St. Martin in the Fields - (died 1902 Croydon)
WHITE Willm 10 1831 (Llived Staffordshire + family - no info wanted).
WHITE Matilda 9 1832 married Alfred Briaris 1854 Hoxton (died 1909 Camberwell)
WHITE Louisa 7 1834 (Louisa Maria x 18/05/1834)
WHITE Alfred 5 1836 (emigrated to Australia in 1858 with wife Mary Ann (Chappell).
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Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Name: Silvanus White Estimated birth year: abt 1820 Age: 32
Arrival Date: 2 Jul 1852 Arrival Port: Port Phillip Bay, Australia Departure Port: London Ship: Mariner
Name: Mary Ann White Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Age: 36
Name: Louisa White Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Age: 9
Name: Laura White Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Age: 5
Name: Elizabeth White Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Name: Silvanus White (born 1851) **
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Silvanus George White m. Alison Janet Anderson Yarra (2 children).

www.walhalla.org.au/news/People/0810W.pdf
(Silvanus George and his wife Alison are on Electoral Rolls for Victoria on Ancestry) (google shows Port Phillip Bay is Melbourne, Victoria)
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Here's Alfred travelling with his wife Mary Ann (Chappell) to Australia

New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
Name: Alfred White
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Age: 22
Voyage Arrival Date: 8 Apr 1858
Vessel Name: Joshua
Origin Location: Hungerford

They appear to have had 5 children -

11956/1862 WHITE MARY A S ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN - NSW
13038/1864 WHITE ALFRED W ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN - Alfred William born 29/02/1864
13619/1865 WHITE EDWARD ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN
14410/1867 WHITE HENRY ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN
16380/1869 WHITE ISABELLA ALFRED J MARY A PATRICKS PLAIN

Have a good day. Open the windows and listen to the birds singing if you cannot get out!

Jeanie

Edit:
2 things that might provide some clues. Although Matilda always showed birth place on census records as Hungerford, Berks she was for whatever reason x at St. Martin in the Fields, London. There may be a family connection in that area. Mother's name was Sarah Joyce - as the surname Joyce is not that common - it might throw up a lead.

Andrew,

I've spent a good hour looking... i can't see them, and it appears they are on numerous tree's on A*try and none of them have the family in 1861 either.... maybe they were missed off?


T x

Hello Tracey,

I'm looking for the 1861 census for Henry William Mitchell born circa 1823 in Middlesex. A wife Elizabeth born circa 1821 and children, Richard Samuel born circa 1845 and William Arthur born circa 1859. In the 1851 census and 1871 they were in the St George Hanover Square, London Area. Any help greatly appreciated.

Andy

Hmmm, Ellen is still single in 1891 :-(

PARRY, Ellen A Daughter Single F 21 1870 Horfield Bristol


T x

Anything is possible....but I have never seen her other than as Hannah.
Mind you, I can't identify her before her marriage, so who knows?

A year or two ago I contacted someone doing a one name study for PARRY, but she had no knowledge of Edgar.
Interesting that in that area he wasn't declared as a miner or an ag lab, but had a definite trade.
As Hannah named a son Edgar, I wondered if she perhaps had a brother of that name, but had no luck on searching for her on that route......

Thanks for all your thoughts and help.

EDIT
Just seen your finding of Edgar... I'll take a quick look, but will have to leave to sort out family here
I'm really grateful for your many searches.
Gwyn

Hmmm a little left of centre.... Bristol not being a million miles away from Bridgend.

Births Mar 1870
Parry Ellen Ann Clifton 6a 77

1881 RG number: RG11 Piece: 2487 Folio: 96 Page: 16
Reg. District: Barton Regis Sub District: Ashley
Address: 141, Gloster Road, Horfield County: Gloucestershire
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PARRY, Edgar Head Married M 43 1838 Boot Maker Employing 3 Men & 1 Boy Bristol Gloucestershire
PARRY, Maria Wife Married F 47 1834 Bristol Gloucestershire
PARRY, Ada J Daughter Single F 14 1867 Bristol Gloucestershire
>>PARRY, Ellen A Daughter Single F 11 1870 Bristol Gloucestershire

Could she have mistaken his occupation as Carpenter or did he do a bit of both??


Tracey x

I have done a search on FMP, i prefer their search engine.

The search i did was on a Hannah P* 1867 +/- 4 years with an Edgar in the household. Only 8 came up, none of which are Parry.

Now is is possible she wasn't born Hannah? But maybe a Mary Ann or Ann Marie?


Tracey x

Witnesses to the 1886 marriage of Alfred DAVIES and Hannah PARRY were...
T.VERITY....and the mark of Catherine REES.

Now here you have to stretch the imagination a bit....
In 1881 there is this household and I wondered if T.VERITY could infact be J...(as in Jessie? )
I don't know if Hannah later joined the household as a servant ( she is a General servant at her marriage)

Name: Catherine Rees
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Merthyrmawr, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Coyty Lower
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 27 Dunraven Place
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Servant (Domestic)

Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham J. Verity 62
Anne Verity 59
Alice C. Smith 31
John V. Smith 31
>>>>Jessie L. Verity 23
Charles F. Verity 19
Annie T. Verity 15
Graham M. Verity 13
>>>Catherine Rees 56 ....servant
Mary Jones 14



Gwyn

Hey Gwyn,

I shall look for Edgar now.... you think he was a figment of her imagination?

Who were the witness's on the marriage? Do they give any clues?

It's also possible i suppose she's move in with a family member when she took ill and her death could be registered there??, which i have to say is an impossible find!


T x

i will order it now and thank you for takeing the time to help

Springtime,

You will need to order the cert from the GRO. This will give you his place of birth along with the full date (assuming the informant knew it)

Without the cert you are not in full receipt of the facts!

There is a very good chance as i cannot find a marriage or birth that this person came from abroad and settled here.

Tracey x

Thanks for that Tracey.
I agree that of those possible, Pontypridd is the most likely, the others being perhaps too near the coast.?
Another alternative would be if for some reason the death missed being recorded onto the GRO master list, but is recorded locally.
I think I might contact the Bridgend office before I take a plunge with the Pontpridd certificate.

Many thanks for your thoughts..... and if you should happen to spot Edgar the carpenter, I'd love to know please !

Keep resting that foot. I hope it's soon better.

Gwyn

no i dont only what i found on here

Do you have the actual cert?

T x

hi
no not sure were linley was born but he died in carmathen carmathenshire wales in 1999

Springtime,

Where was Linley from? Does it indicate on the death cert a place of birth?


Tracey x

OK, by my calculations she would have been between 38 and 42 when she had Albert.

Alfred is a Widower in 1911, the most Hannah could have been is 46 or so. (if she died immediately before the census)

I have done a search of all the Hannah Davies dying in Glamorganshire, based on this age & dates range (ie. 38 - 46 and 1906 to 1911)

No deaths for 1906
Deaths Sep 1907 - Davies Hannah 40 Llanelly 11a 502
Deaths Mar 1907 - DAVIES Hannah 44 Llanelly 11a 747
Deaths Dec 1907 - DAVIES Hannah 46 Pontardawe 11a 560
Deaths Dec 1908 - Davies Hannah Sophia 41 Swansea 11a 569
Deaths Sep 1908 - DAVIES Hannah 45 Llanelly 11a 579
No deaths for 1909
>>Deaths Sep 1910 - Davies Hannah 42 Pontypridd 11a 283
Deaths Dec 1911 - Davies Hannah 46 Llanelly 11a 1115

There is no indication Hannah had a middle name so the Hannah Sophia seems unlikely.

The one i like the most is the Pontypridd one. Could hannah have had something wrong which required a visit to a major hospital ? Or could her husband / relative have registered her death at an office covered by another district. Pontypridd not being a million miles away?

Let me know your thoughts

Tracey x

hi wayne/tracey
very kind of you
i am looking for the birth of linley cliverton kuhl on the death cerf it says born 19 july 1915 but cant finf it anywere many thanks
oh and hope the foot is getting better
jill