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I am hoping a wonderful helper out there will have been watching this thread and can help me with the following. Because of the difference with Matildas age that has been found, I still have a nagging doubt I have the correct Smith family. Could someone please 1. See if you can find another Samuel Smith, living Surrey, deceased by 1847, with daughter Matilda born about 1826.

2. See if you can find another George Landgridge Williams, Builder, with son William, born 1827-1831. (Minor on marriage record)

I know initially seems unlikely, but some of the dates found on the thread just dont add up. Yet other things, like William and Matilda being witnesses at George and Sophias marriage do.

A very early contact researching the family, had found a marriage 1826 for a George L Williams to a Sarah Horton, but I could never find it, so couldnt be sure.

I know I have had lots of help already, but feel there may be another Samuel out there, with daughter Matilda.
Thanks Gill

I have now searched anc myself and am sure all the info on this thread for my George Langridge Williams and family is correct and mine. Still have a doubt about the 3 Smith sisters, but the census with mother Sarah and 3 daughters of correct names seems conclusive. Can not be sure on baptisms, as found several baptisms, all about correct ages, for Matildas, carolines and Sophia Smiths with father Samuel different moither names, however Samuel could have married more than once. Thanks again for all help.

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Hi Listers,
I was wondering if someone can tell me where I go next. I am researching my husbands
family.I found the christening of his gr.gr.grandfather Henry John WILLIAMS B Apr
21,1791 in Monken Hadley son of John and Elizabeth.I got a copy of the parish register
christenings of Monken Hadley.Besides Henry John of children of John and Elizabeth
were George Langridge c Aug 12,1892,John c Sept.8,1793 Mary c May 31, 1795 Richard c
Apr 10,1796 and Elizabeth c Sept 24,1797.The next entries are for children of John and
Mary :James c July 4,1802 Eliza c Jun 24,1804,Caroline c Oct 6 1805 Catherine c Nov
31,1806 James --- WILLIAMS c May 9 1808.At first I thought that John and Mary must be
John and Elizabeth's son but then realized that unless John was having children at the
ripe old age of 9 it was not possible. I have been in touch with the vicar of the
church in Monken Hadley and he very kindly sent me a list of the WILLIAMS that are
buried in the cemetery.There is an Elizabeth who died Jun 10!
,1798.This makes me think that possibly she was Henry John's mother and after her
death his father remarried.My problem is I don't really know where to go next to find
out if this is true,I can find no marriage for a John and Mary c1800.The cemetery
also has a James Fosbury Williams d Jun 19,1868 age 60 which I think makes him the
James --- born to John and Mary.My husband gr.grandfather was James Fosbury WILLIAMS
born in Canada so it appears that Fosbury is a family name from somewhere that has
been passed down.
If someone could help me with where I should go next to prove or disprove my
assumption I would greatly appreciate it.
TIA

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Hi Don,
I am also researching the WILLIAMS family. At this point in time I don't
have anything on the family still living in England as late as 1870.
My husband's gr.gr.grandfather Henry John Williams came to Canada in 1818
with his wife Elizabeth WOOTEN and their 3 children .
Below is what I have on his Henry's siblings.
If you get back far enough where you think there might be a connection keep
me in mind.



Descendants of John Williams

1 John Williams
.. +Elizabeth
.. 2 Henry John Williams b: April 21, 1791 in Monken Hadley Mdx England
d: March 01, 1870 in Toronto Ontario
...... +Elizabeth Wooten b: April 07, 1793 in Northchurch Hertfordshire
England d: February 24, 1856 in Bell Ewert Canada West
....... 3 Henry Burt Williams b: November 21, 1813 in Monken Hadley Mdx
England d: January 1864 in Toronto Canada West
........... +Catherine Maria Hale d: March 05, 1881 in Toronto Ont.
....... 3 George Wooten Williams b: December 20, 1814 in Monken Hadley Mdx
England d: October 19, 1899 in Toronto Canada West
........... +Laura McMahon b: 1820 in Toronto Ontario
....... *2nd Wife of George Wooten Williams:
........... +Anna Maria b: 1836
....... 3 Alfred Williams b: Abt. 1815 in Monken Hadley Mdx England d:
December 17, 1816 in Monken Hadley Mdx England
....... 3 Louisa Elizabeth Williams b: October 28, 1817 in Monken Hadley
Mdx England d: September 23, 1900 in 17 Denison Ave Toronto Canada West
........... +George Willam Hale b: Abt. 1818 in England
....... 3 Joshua John Williams b: November 11, 1819 in Montreal Lower
Canada d: in Toronto Canada West
........... +Elizabeth b: Abt. 1826 in Ontario
....... 3 Ann Williams b: July 19, 1821 in Cote de Grace st. Lower Canada
d: May 1848 in Hamilton Ontario
....... 3 Jane Eliza Williams b: June 01, 1823 in Montreal Lower Canada
....... 3 Sarah Mahala Williams b: November 15, 1824 in Montreal Lower
Canada d: August 1825 in Montreal Lower Canada
....... 3 James Fosbury Williams b: June 23, 1826 in Near Ise aux noa
Montreal Lower Canada d: April 04, 1912 in London E. Ontario Canada
........... +Thirza Spencer b: January 1827 in England d: September 13,
1915 in London E. Ontario Canada
....... 3 Richard Lusher Williams b: February 21, 1829 in ByTown Ottawa
Upper Canada
........... +Mary Jane b: 1843 in Ontario
....... 3 John Stinson Williams b: August 20, 1833 in ByTown Ottawa Upper
Canada
....... 3 Catherine Maria Williams b: Abt. 1834 in ByTown Or York Upper
Canada
........... +Samuel B Armstrong
.. 2 George Langridge Williams b: May 18, 1792 in Monken Hadley Mdx
England
...... +Judith
....... 3 Elizabeth Williams b: July 30, 1820
....... 3 Harriett Williams b: January 10, 1822
....... 3 George Langridge Williams b: July 25, 1824
........... +Caroline Smith b: 1826
....... 3 William Williams b: August 25, 1828
.. 2 John Williams b: August 12, 1793 in Monken Hadley Mdx England d: June
29, 1815 in Monken Hadley
.. 2 Mary Williams b: October 18, 1794 in Monken Hadley Mdx England
.. 2 Richard Williams b: March 13, 1796 in Monken Hadley Mdx England
.. 2 Elizabeth Williams b: June 11, 1797 in Monken Hadley Mdx England
*2nd Wife of John Williams:
.. +Mary
.. 2 James Williams b: July 02, 1802 in Monken Hadley England d: in Monken
Hadley England
.. 2 Eliza Williams b: March 28, 1804 in Monken Hadley Mdx England
...... +Ezra Sparke
.. 2 Caroline Williams b: September 01, 1805 in Monken Hadley England d:
January 31, 1806 in Monken Hadley England
.. 2 Catherine Williams b: November 30, 1806 in Monken Hadley England
.. 2 James Fosbury Williams b: April 28, 1808 in Monken Hadley Mdx
England d: June 19, 1868 in Monken Hadley England
...... +Henrietta b: 1808 d: May 21, 1852 in Monken Hadley England
....... 3 Sarah Rose Williams b: March 04, 1832 in Monken Hadley England
d: January 07, 1854 in Potters Bar England
....... 3 Henrietta Emily Williams b: June 16, 1833 in Monken Hadley
England d: July 21, 1833 in Monken Hadley England
....... 3 James Fosbury Williams b: March 09, 1834 in Monken Hadley
England d: April 05, 1834 in Monken Hadley England
....... 3 William Fosbury Williams b: March 29, 1835 in Monken Hadley
England
.. 2 Joseph Williams b: July 28, 1809 in Monken Hadley England
.. 2 Benjamin Williams b: July 07, 1811 in Monken Hadley England
.. 2 Hester Williams b: June 27, 1813 in Monken Hadley England

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Boyle"
To:
Sent: June 19, 2001 6:07 PM
Subject: SALMON/WILLIAMS


> Looking for information on Robert John SALMON and his wife Harriet
WILLIAMS both born c1870
>
> Don Boyle for
> Bob Macaulay
> Brantford Ontario
> Canada

Wouldnt it be a romantic story if Judith was nursing Matilda, and then introduced her to her youngest son William and love flourished.
Have to log off, will try get back on tomorrow. Thanks for help today and hope tree was useful.

Hi again. Yes 1881 and 1891 census ties in with what I have.
The baptism for William seems correct. From other thread
Name: William Williams
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Feb 1842
Born: 25 Aug 1828
Abode: Ealing
Father's Name: George Landgridge Williams occ Builder
Mother's Name: Judith Williams
Parish: St Mary the Virgin, Monken Hadley
Borough: Barnet
County: Middlesex
He married 1847, so know can not have been born 1841. Baptised same place as siblings in earler years, with same parents names. Possibly no cash for baptism after his birth, or any other one of lots of reasons. Or know Judith had died by 1847, when father George md Sophia. Maybe she wanted William baptised when she knew she was dying. Endless possibilities.

4. WILLIAM WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 FEB 1842 Monken Hadley, London, England
was a child of george and Judith so indicates they should be around 1841

Interesting as a just found a Judith William on the same page as the 2 Matilda Smiths in Guys hospital. Judith was a nurse but may not be your Judith.

1881 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, Stanley A
Address: 27, Carlton Street, St Pancras
WILLIAMS, William A Head Married M 31 1850 Wood Carver
Kensington
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Jane Wife Married F 26 1855
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Stanley A Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Florence M Daughter Single F 3 1878
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Sidney S Son Single M 2 1879
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Edith M Daughter Single F 0 1881
St Pancras
Middlesex

1891 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, William A
Address: 1, Fulbrook Road, Islington, London


WILLIAMS, William A Head Married M 41 1850 Mould Carver
Kensington
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Janet Wife Married F 36 1855
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Florence J Daughter F 13 1878
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Sidney H Son M 12 1879
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Edith M Daughter F 10 1881
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Percy E Son M 7 1884
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Rose M Daughter F 4 1887
St Pancras
London

I have sent you a pm so you could give me access that way.

Hi again Ladykiri,
Think I have done everything you asked. have added everything from previous thread to here.
Would be very interested in your opinion as to whether I have correct family.

All I am 100% on is that my William Williams c1828, (father George Landgridge Williams,) md 3.3.1847 to Matilda Smith, father Samuel, gentleman. Matildas age on 1851 census 25, but know this can be incorrect.

From my 1st thread I have learnt about both Caroline and Sophia, born Surrey, father Samuel. Names appear as witnesses at each others wedding. Then a Caroline Smith, Surrey md George Landgridge Williams, born 1824. So he could be my William brother. Sophia Smith, Surrey md George Landgridge Williams born 1792, which fits William and George jnr fathers details.
The baptisms you sent me of a caroline and Matilda would fit with caroline, but not my Matilda, yet they are at the same church, so are most likely sisters.
I had hoped to find them all on the 1841 census, but no luck so far. That would have at least shown them all as a family together, and their ages.
I am happy to give you access to my tree, but not sure how to from here. Some of the names we have mentioned are on there twice, as I have added the Smith sisters to my Williams, then the Smith sisters again with their father etc.

Thanks for doing that.
It is very confusing with 2 common surnames and limited first names.

I do not know how you have been organising your data but what I do is in my notes section copy and paste every bit of data about that person in date order.

Helps keep a track of where they were and if it does not add up.
I have to go for a little while but if you feel comfortable with giving me access to your tree I will have a look and give you any observations from there.

Name: George Williams widower occ Surveyor
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Spouse Name: Ann Gabriel spinster
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jul 1857
Parish: All Souls, Langham Place
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Williams (deceased) Builder
Spouse Father Name: Christopher Gabriel (deceased) Timber Merchant

If the 1851 census is correct then this could be George in the 1861 census.... so it looks as if Sophia has died and George has married Ann

Name: George Williams
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1792
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members:
Name Age
George Williams 69 occ Surveyor
Ann Williams 54 b Islington
Sophia Williams 12
Edith Williams 11
Porcwal Williams 11
Ann Fowler 64 Visitor

Name: William Williams
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Matilda
Gender: Male
Where born: Ealing, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Williams 22 occ Surveyor
Matilda Williams 25 b Richmond Surrey
Matilda Williams 3 b Marylebone
William Williams 1 b Kensington
Charles Ed Williams 10 Mo b Chelsea
Alice Nolan 29 Servant

Name: William Williams occ Surveyor
Age: Minor
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Spouse Name: Matilda Smith
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Mar 1847
Address given for both: South Bank
Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: George Landgridge Williams Builder
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Smith (deceased) Gentleman

Name: George Landgridge Williams Widower occ Builder
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Address: Albany St
Spouse Name: Sophia Smith Spinster
Spouse Age: Full Age
Address: South Bank
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Feb 1847
Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: John Williams (deceased) Builder
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Smith (deceased) Gentleman

Witnessess: W Williams & Matilda Smith

Possible marriage

Name: George Williams
Spouse Name: Judith Collins
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Dec 1816
Parish: St James, Paddington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster

Ok. We all have to learn and there are very few site instructions.

Would you do me a favour and copy and paste anytuing new Ie not on here and then put a post at the end referring people here.

To do that copy the url address from the top of this thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1221151

and paste it on the bottom of the old threads. That way other helpers will know what is happening.

So so sorry. Have checked threads and found i made 3. Details on Judith on one titled George Williams begining of May.
My only excuse, though poor, is that I am new to this and didnt realise Surname look ups, trying to find look ups etc were all linked. Had wrongly assumed would be kept seperate, which is why I tried all to get some help with my confusion with family. Seem to have just made more confusion for helpers. Now I know wont happen again. Will add anything more to thread I already have.

Only what you made on this thread.
You started a new thread yesterday. Why?

Got her from another helper on this thread. Not sure this works. Can you not see all my replies?