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12 May 2010 22:14 |
Thank you for advice. I do have doubts on this because of ages. A contact via genes, descendant from this family, has told me that this Percival 1850 named his son, Percival Langridge Williams born 1882. Obviously a family link somewhere, just not sure where and when.
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Christina(Lancashire)
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12 May 2010 22:16 |
This is the same family in 1861....Georges age is now 69 giving a yob of 1792....which would fit.
1861 England Census about George Williams Name: George Williams Age: 69 Estimated birth year: abt 1792 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Islington County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:.....14 Spencer Street
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington East ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 148 Household Members: Name Age George Williams 69 .....Surveyor Ann Williams 54 Sophia Williams 12 Edith Williams 11 Porcwal Williams 11 Ann Fowler 64
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12 May 2010 22:28 |
Thanks for this. Ann must be his 3rd wife, confirmed here with the children from Sophia. Had a note that he could have married for a 3rd time to an Ann Gabriel in 1857. Definately my George, yet age differs from 1851 census, yet children right names and ages. Hope all can understand why I have been so confused.
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LadyKira
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12 May 2010 22:33 |
Births Sep 1882 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Williams Percival Langridge Hackney 1b 577
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12 May 2010 22:38 |
1891 census - household transcription Person: WILLIAMS, Percival L Address: 12, New Cross Road, St Paul Deptford WILLIAMS, Percival Head Married M 41 1850 Electrical Engineer Woolwich Kent VIEW WILLIAMS, Mary J Wife Married F 34 1857 Shoreditch London VIEW WILLIAMS, Florence E Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar Hackney London VIEW WILLIAMS, Percival L Son M 8 1883 Scholar Hackney London
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gillypaul
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12 May 2010 23:04 |
Many thanks to all for your help. I am begining to see the light at the end of the tunnel at last. My Williams/Smith branch was causing me nightmares. So many leads, so many wrong paths. You have made it all seem so easy. Gill
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LadyKira
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13 May 2010 00:19 |
looking at originals
marriage of george langridge williams (merchant) to caroline
groom fathers name george langridge smith merchant brides father Samuel Smith gentleman witnesses Matilda Smith Sophia Smith an unintelligible name marked with an asterisk and annotated Shuttleworth Bryant
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LadyKira
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13 May 2010 00:27 |
george langridge williams widower builder Albany Street father John Williams deceased also a builder
sophia smith spinster south bank father samuel smith gentleman deceased
witnesses ? williams Matilda Smith
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LadyKira
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13 May 2010 00:48 |
On the same page of the register
william williams minor batchelor surveyor soutuh bank father George langridge Williams builder
matilda smith full age spinster south bank father samuel smith deceased
Witnesse
James Pat???in Gilly Johns?
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LadyKira
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13 May 2010 13:42 |
Please post census details as requested that you are sure abot so I can compare addresses etc.
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LadyKira
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13 May 2010 13:49 |
1881 census - household transcription Person: WILLIAMS, Percival Address: 34, Myrtle Street, Hackney WILLIAMS, Percival Head Married M 31 1850 Telegraph Engineer App Mkr Woolwich Middlesex VIEW WILLIAMS, Mary Jane Wife Married F 24 1857 Milliner Shoreditch Middlesex VIEW WILLIAMS, Florence Eleanor Daughter Single F 2 1879 Hackney Middlesex
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LadyKira
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13 May 2010 13:50 |
1871 census - household transcription Person: WILLIAMS, Percival Address: King Square, St Luke YEATES, Horatio Head M 37 1834 Ireland VIEW YEATES, Kate L Wife F 37 1834 Ireland VIEW YEATES, Jessie J Daughter F 6 1865 Ireland VIEW YEATES, Horatio A Son M 5 1866 London VIEW YEATES, Geo F Son M 0 1871 London VIEW WILLIAMS, Percival Workman M 21 1850 Kent VIEW BASSELL, Elizth Servant F 23 1848 Not Known
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LadyKira
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13 May 2010 14:01 |
Deaths Jun 1856 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Williams Sophia Greenwich 1d 319
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LadyKira
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15 May 2010 19:44 |
Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%) BRYANT Shuttleworth St Pancras 1 328 Cannon Thomas St Pancras 1 328 Farquhar James St Pancras 1 328 Fendick Hannah St Pancras 1 328 Froy Sarah St Pancras 1 328 Martin Richard St Pancras 1 328 Stearne Mary Ann St Pancras 1 328 Strachan Ann S Pancras 1 328
marriage of the witness with unreadable signature to one of these.
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15 May 2010 19:45 |
Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%) BRYANT Shuttleworth 88 Woolwich 1d 59[41]
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15 May 2010 19:50 |
1851 census - household transcription Person: BRYANT, Shittleworth Address: 8, Frederick Terrace, Newington, Surrey, Lambeth DIDDEAR, Charles Head Married M 51 1800 Theatrical Deal Kent VIEW DIDDEAR, Betty Wife Married F 38 1813 Clerkenwell Middlesex VIEW DIDDEAR, Louisa Daughter F 14 1837 Bloomsbury Middlesex VIEW BRYANT, Shittleworth Lodger Married M 55 1796 Secretary To The Devon Newport Essex VIEW BRYANT, Mary Wife Married F 25 1826 Slater And Granite Comy Melton Suffolk
so married Mary Stearne
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LadyKira
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15 May 2010 20:09 |
CAROLINE SMITH Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 22 APR 1819 Christening: 21 MAY 1819 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: SAMUEL SMITH Family Mother: SARAH
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C013342
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LadyKira
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15 May 2010 20:12 |
These 2 are in the same batch as children of Samuel and Sarah
1. MATILDA SMITH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 10 OCT 1817 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England 2. CAROLINE SMITH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 21 MAY 1819 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England
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LadyKira
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15 May 2010 20:13 |
MATILDA SMITH Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 13 SEP 1817 Christening: 10 OCT 1817 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: SAMUEL SMITH Family Mother: SARAH
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C013342
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gillypaul
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16 May 2010 14:33 |
Hi Lady kiri, Thanks for baptisms for Matilda and Caroline. Matilda is older than I had thought, in fact 11 years older than her husband. On 1851 census, which I know 100% is correct family, shows Matildas age as 25, which is where I got her birth year of 1826. Doubts keep creeping in, but all the paperwork seems to show she is the correct Matilda. It would mean there would have to be 2 George Landgridge Williams and 2 Smith families with father Samuel and daughters Matilda, Caroline and Sophia. Surely unlikely. So confused. I really hoped that I could find someone else with same sisters and father, and check spouses for them., to confirm same as mine. Thanks again for help. I will keep checking here today for any responses. Yesterday was distracted by another possible link via messages. Gill
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