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OK, found an advertisement for his ship the Prince of Wales... boasting 1 hour trips from Liverpool

It's got sailing time and fares, i need an email address to send this info to.

It appears these ad's first start Sept 13th 1862, and are placed weekely for quite some months.


Tracey x

Linda,

have you had any contact with these guys at our local record office in connection with your search, you will find them most helpful.


The Old Rectory
Rectory Lane
Hawarden
CH5 3NR
Wales

Tel: 01244 532364

Email: [email protected]
Website: http://www.flintshire.gov.uk/archives

Annx

I also have a newspaper clipping of his death, and the boats he had captained are listed...

The Black Diamond 1829
The Taliesin
The Vesta
The Satellite
...and lastly The Prince of Wales (which belonged to Sir Edward Bates)

Captain davies retired in 1869 when The Prince of Wales Steamer was sold.

His remains are interred at Whitford Churchyard.

Margaret, the wife of Captain Robert davies died at Mostyn Quay Dec 25th 1884 aged 76.

T x

Just popped in. Thanks Tracey.

Judging from the timing of her postings I think Linda is from overseas so should reply later.

Useful archives address Ann. Will make a note of that myself.
Is that in Hailton library or somewhere else?
I spent a weekend in there a few years ago.

I just wanted to suggest it might be interesting, Linda, to trace the Foden family who were living with Robt Jr in 1881 -- mother Margaret was his housekeeper for a long time, and they could have family stories.

In 1871 they were (1881 has only initials for the whole lot of them):

Margt Foden 38 - innkeeper
Wm Foden 13
Margt I Foden 11
Joseph Foden 9
Ann Eliz Foden 7
Jane Davies 30 - niece - born Lancashire - married, domestic


If Robt Sr was from Liverpool originally, it's possible that this Jane Davies was in fact related. In fact, I wonder whether Margaret Foden Sr was an aunt of Robt Jr ... like maybe:

Marriages Jun 1852
? Davies Margaret West Derby 8b 553
? Foden Joseph West Derby 8b 553
Rimmer John West Derby 8b 553
Worthington Grace West Derby 8b 553


1861

Name: Margaret Foden
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Joseph
Where born: Bromborough, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Lower Bebington
County/Island: Cheshire

Joseph Foden 30 - publican
Margaret Foden 29
William Foden 3
Margaret J Foden 1
Elizabeth Foden 22
Sarah Hughes 17 servant


1841 in Bromborrow

William Davies 50 - farmer, born Cheshire
Jane Davies 50
Jane Davies 20
Thomas Davies 15
Ann Davies 12
Margaret Davies 10

Possibly William was a brother of Robt Sr ... possibly they weren't related. ;) It does seem that Robt Jr took on responsibility for the family when mother Margaret was widowed, though.

On a quick tree search, a GR member has William 1858 and Margaret 1860 born Cheshire in her tree.

edit to clarify - yes, they are Fodens. ;)

LK,

No, the record office is in Hawarden Flintshire, they hold records for Flintshire & Denbighshire.......which includes the registation district of Holywell.......where Linda's ancestor died.

Annx

From Genuki

Merchant Marine
Flintshire Record Office holds Shipping Records from 1863 to 1913, which include lists of the crews of ships trading from Flintshire ports on the River Dee. Two bound volumes of indexes to these records (about 30,000 names) are available.

Ah never quite made it there but have made note.

Just to remind,

I need an email address to send these newspaper clips to.

Tracey x

Moored at Mostyn Quay

1891 census - household transcription
Person: DAVIES, John
Vessel: Florence Petherick Schooner Sailing
Port/place: Whitehaven

DAVIES, John A B Seaman Single M 19 1872 Seaman
Amlwch
Anglesey


Holywell Sub District:
Whitford Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Gorsedd
Civil Parish:
Whitford Municipal Borough:
Address:
Whitford, Saithaclwyd County:
Flintshire

Not sure where he fits in but also from Anglesea.

Hello Ladykira, Jane, Ann & Tracey

I usually sit down at work in my lunchtime to check on these vital bits of information all of you are finding out for me, and I assumed that you were all from the UK, sorry.

Hi Jane
Thanks for the links and info about how to tease the secrets out, I'll have to have a look later.

I will keep the idea in mind about the Foden's
Sometime you wish they would just name their kids different to themselves don't you.
Captain Robert married a Margaret possibly 1829 then they had a Margaret b 1835 who married an Evan Richards around 1855 I would guess.
Then my Grandrother was a Margaret and my auntie Peggy was born a Margaret!!!

My aunt thought the Captain and his wife had moved to Mostyn from Machynlleth in 1835, so she thought Margaret might have been from there but I havn't gone along that avenue yet.
The quick tree search you did, was that for the Foden'?

Hi LadyKira

The 3 addresses for the family is confusing as my aunty remembers they only ever lived in the one house from around 1835 to 1952, known as Mostyn House, Mostyn Quay. This house is still there by the looks of it on Google Maps.

Sounds like a contact to the Flintshire Records Office would be good, I bet their not online!!

I don't know of any John Davies's in the line and as far as I know, Captain Robert was the only seaman, where as Robert Davies Jnr seemed to be in shipping.

Hi Tracey

Captain Robert Davies married a Margaret Owen as far as I can accertain as there was a marriage on 25/12/1829 in Amlwch, Anglesey. If I get the death certificates that would confirm/deny this info I guess.
I am just looking forward at this stage from Captain Robert Davies and hopeing to find any other living relations!!

Thanks for all that newspaper info.

Hi Ann
Thanks for the email and web site info you have sent as I have not contacted them yet.

Thanks all for your relplies

Linda
signing off from NZ

Please remove your email from the posting as not safe and against t&c. To send a message to wayne tracy with email address click on her name.

Just one note


English/Welsh death certificates do not give the maiden name of a woman, nor do they give any children, nor the names of the parents.


The most you would get might be "widow/wife of ...... "




sylvia

Hello Sylvia

Yes I had just come to that conclusion after looking at the records site.
Ah well it will be good to have them anyway.

Thanks
Linda

Hello LadyKira

Ooops, done Thanks
Linda

Nudged for my reference as Robert's sister Frances appears to have married into my tree

That is sooooo unfair. :(

:)

Again JC



Keep looking.

Maybe I could share some Smiths.

I still need to confirm this though.

I have not found a census with his wife on it although he has chidren.

If Frances Hargreaves 1871 census is his wife did they marry? Presumably 2nd marriage/

How did Frances Davies become Frances Hargreaves and what happened to her?

Thomas William Thompson was born before April 1840 at Middlesex. He was the son of Thomas Thompson and Sophia Elizabeth Ball.

Name: Thomas William Thompson
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 Jul 1839
Father's Name: Thomas Thompson
Mother's Name: Sophia Elizabeth Thompson
Parish: St Dunstan in the East
Borough: City of London
County: London
75 great tower street
licensed victualler

1841 Address: Tower Street, Great, St Dunstan In The East, London
THOMPSON, Thomas M 35 1806
THOMPSON, Sophia Eh F 30 1811 Middlesex
THOMPSON, Loueisa F 7 1834 Middlesex
THOMPSON, Thomas William M 2 1839 Middlesex
THOMPSON, Elizabeth F 55 1786 Middlesex
THOMPSON, Dorather Foster F 20 1821 Middlesex
POWELL, Elizabeth F 20 1821 Middlesex
WARD, John M 17 1824 Middlesex

1851 census - household transcription
Person: THOMPSON, Thomas Wm
Institution: Christ's Hospital,
THOMPSON, Thomas Wm Scholar Unmarried M 11 1840
London
Middlesex

1861 census - address transcription
Address: Mostyn Quay, Picton
THOMPSON, Thomas Wm Lodger Unmarried M 21 1840 Colliery Cl
London

1871Address: Sutton Village, Little Sutton
THOMPSON, Thomas Wm Head M 31 1840 Middlesex
THOMPSON, Margaret Annie Daughter F 6 1865 Lancashire
THOMPSON, Richard E Son M 1 1870 Cheshire
HARGRAVES, Percy J Visitor M 5 1866 Cheshire
HARGRAVES, Frances Wife F 27 1844 Flintshire
HUGHES, Jane G Servant F 22 1849 Anglesey
BRISLIN, Hannah Servant F 20 1851 Lancashire

Thomas William Thompson appeared on the 1881 census at The Vines, Lower Bebington, Cheshire. Thomas William Thompson, head, married, 41, Ferry proprietor, steam boat owner, born London; children - Sophia E 9, Maria G 8, Lilian C 3, all born at New Ferry, Cheshire, plus 2 servants and a book keeper.


1881 Address: The Vines, Lower Bebington
THOMPSON, Thomas W Head Married M 41 1840 Ferry Propriotor Steam Boat Owner
London, London
Middlesex
THOMPSON, Sophia E Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
New Ferry
Cheshire
THOMPSON, Maria G Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
New Ferry
Cheshire
THOMPSON, Lilian C Daughter Single F 3 1878
New Ferry
Cheshire
EVANS, Jane Servant Single F 23 1858 Cook (Dom)
Ruabon
Denbighshire
Wales
GREEN, Grace Servant Single F 23 1858 Housemaid
Liverpool
Lancashire
PARRY, Ellen W Servant Single F 18 1863 Nurse
Criccieth
Carmarthenshire
Wales
NICHOLLS, Martha E Visitor Single F 35 1846 Book Keeper (Clerk)
East Ham
Cheshire

I know his wife is Frances
cf
Name: Sophia Elizabeth Thompson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1871
Christening Date: 8 Nov 1871
Christening Place: Rock Ferry, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: Thomas Thompson
Mother's Name: Fenney Thompson