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Folks, I'm currently on holiday, tapping in occasionally. Derek tells me there is a Disley Road on the 1891. However, Tracey has said Disley Road is Newtown, and Newtown is definitely at the north end of New Mills, about 4 miles from Hayfield, and is a little "hamlet" comprising Buxton Road which goes from New Mills (a) to Whaley Bridge or (b) to Disley. There could well have been a bit called Disley Road - I don't imagine there was a Buxton Road in Hayfield either, the three roads out are likely to be Glossop Road, Chapel Road and New Mills Road.

I'm really impressed with all the buzz going on & a big thank you. A strong marriage possibility of William Turner & Ann Waterhouse. I feel this is accurate, & SOOO exciting. It is an ANZAC Day holiday here this weekend & I'll be looking into all the contributions asap.

Hi! Wayne Tracy, also Derek, thanks for joining in. . How thorough you all have been with the Disley road research, I'm thrilled as I'd never have got this far without your help.
The 1891 census re. Martha Turner is spot -on, Mad meg. That's my Great Grandmother...

I still think it was probably the road to Disley. ;)

Where I am, there is a long street that goes from one end of town to the other, and out of town on both ends.

At one end, on the outskirts, it's called, say, Windsor Road. It's the road that goes to Windsor.

At the other end it's called, say, Toronto Road. It's the road that goes to Toronto.

In between, it's called two other things, proper street names, as it passes through town.

Disley Road could have been what the road in question was referred to as once it got to the outskirts of town?

Me again.......the hayfield Census has the family of William and Ann Turner.(and a couple of other Turner families..but not with a John aged 5)

They have four children Martha 1831/William 1834/JOHN 1836/and Thomas 1838......William is a butcher and they live at Household 38!! whatever that means....

Since New Mills/ Hayfield and Glossop are so close.I offer you a Marriage possibility.....William Turner (of Hayfield) married Ann Waterhouse 30.08.1829

Derek.

MM,

As it goes looking at the image it states Buxton Road, shall look further to see where Disley road comes from.

.....ok looking at it further, in this instance i think the occupant it the issue here.

On the address coversheet he has listed the address as Disley Road, Newtown but on the actual census he's listed it as Buxton Road. I wonder if he's used a local coloquial term for the road??

I know we have several road round here that are called something else locally becauise of the town they go towards or the village, when in actual fact that's not the actual road name at all.

It is worth noting he's the only person listing Disley Road from 1881 to 1911.

Tracey x

MM,

Just reading your last bit, FMP have this for Disley Road, Hayfield. (and it has to be said it's the only one listed!)

1911 RG14PN21307 RG78PN1267 RD442 SD1 ED19 SN295
Reg. District: Hayfield Sub District: Hayfield Parish: Disley Enum. District: 19

Address: Disley Road Newtown County: Derbyshire
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WOODWARD, William Head Married M 43 1868 Greengrocer Congleton Cheshire
WOODWARD, Sarah Wife Married 22 years F 42 1869 Congleton Cheshire
WOODWARD, George Willie Son Single M 20 1891 Print Shop Labourer Disley Cheshire
WOODWARD, Sarah Daughter Single F 18 1893 Towel Weaver Melor Derbyshire
WOODWARD, James Son Single M 17 1894 Grengrocer's Assistant Melor Derbyshire
WOODWARD, Hannah Daughter Single F 15 1896 Towel Weaver New Mills Derbyshire
WOODWARD, John Henry Son Single M 13 1898 School New Mills Derbyshire
WOODWARD, Doris Daughter F 11 1900 School New Mills Derbyshire
WOODWARD, Emma Daughter F 7 1904 School New Mills Derbyshire
WOODWARD, Fred Son M 6 1905 New Mills Derbyshire
WOODWARD, Nellie Daughter F 3 1908 New Mills Derbyshire

Maybe the enumerator wasn't sure where the house was situated and invented the road name?

I shall look at 1901 for you....


Tracey x

Hello you lot.yes i have the new Mills Parish records from 1831-1910..and john turner et all are not on it....but as mad MEG well knows cos she is even more local to there than I am..Hayfield new Mills and Glossop sre pretty much joined at the hip....so eevents may take place..BMD events say at Hayfield where the participant is described as "of New Mills" or vice versa.....My own family research came to a halt at 1737 precisely becasue of those three words......However I'm sure that between us we'll crack it....with the girls on your side too..it's the "A" Team you're dealing with here!!

Have found the John turner Birth at hayfield....that Janey gave you....may be as close as you're going to get......I'll look at the local Censuses for you.

EDIT Hayfield Census 1841 has the Turner family mentioned above ..Dad is a Butcher???
Derek

Pauline, whilst Turner is a name common to many places, I am not aware of any particular affilitation of the Turner family in Hayfield. There are other names which are far more prolific.

No Disley Road currently exists in Hayfield, nor can I find any mention of it in history. Nor in any of the neigbouring towns/villages. Hayfield has three connecting roads, to Glossop (Glossop Road - I was born in Glossop), to New Mills (New Mills Road - I was brought up in New Mills), and to Chapel en le Frith (Chapel Road). Go from Hayfield to New Mills (alond New Mills Road) and the road splits - left (oops, right!) to Disley (but it isn't Disley Road, it is Buxton Road, and is Buxton Road to the right (oops, left) also towards Whaley Bridge - where I now live).

In fact no Disley Road springs to mind at all. I suppose in the distant past there might have been a Disley Road from Charlesworth, but not from Hayfield.

Is this the 1891 family?

1891 England Census
about Martha Turner
Name: Martha Turner
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: New Miles, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Hayfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Hayfield
Town: Phoside
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hayfield
Sub-registration district: Hayfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Turner 53
Ada Mary Turner 23
Frances R A Turner 21
Frank H Turner 20
Arthur S Turner 18
Fritz A Turner 11
Ethel Maud Turner 8
Leonard C Turner 5
Elizth Walker 54

Phoside is definitely in Hayfield. Pollypocket, there's no mention of Disley Road on Ancestry - where did you get yours from?

PS I've got some idea now of how to go about using the batch number on the Mormon site. This is new to me, but guess we all start somewhere. Anyway got excited following Janey's instructions & I've established John Turner's parents are William & Anne, & found many of John's siblings.Just so sad that so many babies died, within a few months of birth, what a tragedy each time.

Hello Madmeg [what a name!!]

Thanks for your contribution, It is so good that you come from the area, makes you rather special!I Guess the Turner family have been in the Hayfield area for hundreds of years, but I am trying to work back from John born 1836. I don't need any info on his son Fritz & wife Eva's immediate family [my Grandparents] so if there has been overlap I'm sorry, was not my intention.

Would it have been just the road going to Disley?

Disley, Cheshire, seems to come into this.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1217746

Derek, I assume Janey has bookmarked you (as I have - surprise, surprise), though I do often marvel how people get to thread references so rapidly.

About time we had a thread about somewhere other than London. I was brought up in New Mills, half my mother's rellies came from/lived in Hayfield, and I'm only about 4 miles away. I know there's a Spring Villas, but there's never been a Disley Road in Hayfield to my knowledge.

I got this by googling:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1217745

About Fritz Adolphus. Pauline, it's better to just have one thread on the same family, we can help so much more easily.

And another google hit:

http://www.curiousfox.com/history/derbyshire_24.html

Derek, there was also Graham Hadfield's site - Jigrah - he passed it on to someone else, do you know who? It was full of miscellaneous fascinating stuff about Glossop/Hayfield etc.

Oh! you guys are awesome!!!

I've just got to my computer this am & was so glad to see Derek is already in the swim, too. Hello, Derek! Thanks for joining in! I'm thinking I'll need a Masters to do what you all seem to handle so well.

Perchino. Thanks for the advice. I didn't know there is so much free stuff out there. The Derbyshire records will be a great place to search.

Where did you come from?

Did Pauline follow the directions ... or was this already a duplication ... ?

You find the address up at the top of your screen in the white line, where the gibberish starting out "http://" is.

All you really need is the numbers after the = sign at the end; this one is 1217747 (ignore anything after that starting with & if it's there, like on the page number, or after you've posted it will say "jump" something).

Well, ordinarily you do. Because with that number, you just delete the number for the thread you're in (up in that address line), type the one you want, and hit Enter. But I know that's like speaking Japanese and playing the didgeridoo, for many who read this site ...

Hi again Janey..thanksagain for your recommendation..am already on the case.......but where on earth do you find addresses to threads????

Derek x

Pauline, I just remembered Derek's Derbyshire thread. He might be able to help you too.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1191073

Please be sure to give him directions to this thread so he can see what's here -- this is this the address for thread:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1217747

For free Derbyshire records information1600-1900 try www.wirksworth.org.uk and the Andrews Pages.

Thanks, Polly Poppet for your kindness in looking up the info for me. Lots for me to study, & yes!! it is my Father's ancestors. Many thanks
Pauline

Hi this looks like your family from 1881 census-1901 census


1881 census

Name John Turner
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1836
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Draper (Man)
Address Spring Villas
District Hayfield, Hayfield
Parish Hayfield
Administrative County Derbyshire
Birth Place Hayfield
Birth County Derbyshire
in house
john head 45
martha wife 43
ada mary 13
florence 11
frank h 10
arthur j 8
frily (son) 1
RG11 / 3462


1891 census

Name Martha Turner
Age 53
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Draper
Address Spring Villas, Disley Road
District Hayfield, Hayfield
Parish Hayfield
Administrative County Derbyshire
Birth Place New Mills
Birth County Derbyshire
in house
martha head 53 widow
ada mary 23
frances d 21
frank h 20
arthur s 18
frily a 11
ethel maud 8
leonard c 5
elizabeth walker companion 54 widow
RG 12 / 2786

1901 census

Address Hayfield Rd 1 Spring Villa
Civil Parish Hayfield
Rural District Hayfield
Town or Village or Hamlet Hayfield
Ecclesiastical Parish St Matthews
Parliamentary Borough or Division High Peak
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Derby
Householder 1
Name Ada Mary Turner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 34
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Stockport Ches
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Ethel M Turner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Derby Hayfield
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Florence Ada Turner
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 32
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Stockport Ches
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Frank Hall Turner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 30
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Stockport Ches
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Fritz A Turner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 21
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Student
Employment Status
Where Born Derby New Mills
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Leonard C Turner
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 15
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Student
Employment Status
Where Born Derby Hayfield
Language
Infirmity
Householder 7
Name Martha Turner
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 63
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Living On Own Means
Employment Status
Where Born Derby New Mills
Language
Infirmity