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Gwyn in Kent
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9 Apr 2010 20:54 |
As she died after 1969, her place of birth should be recorded on her death certificate, ....if known by the informant, of course.
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9 Apr 2010 20:46 |
There was a reason I asked, I found this and it is only a submitted record and may be a possibility.
IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print MAUD BAKER Pedigree Female Event(s): Birth: 11 OCT 1891 Rochester, Kent, England Christening: Death: 10 FEB 1970 Burial: Parents: Father: ROBERT JAMES BAKER Family Mother: MINNIE BUTCHER Messages: Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The form lists the submitter's name and address and may include source information. The address may be outdated. Details vary. To find the form, you must know the batch and sheet number. Source Information: Batch Number: 8232330 Sheet: 37
Not all the information matches with what you have though.
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Apr 2010 20:46 |
I think it's the year of birth on the death cert that is out -- not an uncommon occurrence for people born pre 1900.
- edit - also, checking back, I see that 1884 would have made her a good bit older than her first husband (on the hypothesis she was), and women often dissembled in that situation.
Births Mar 1884 Baker Maud Amy Brentford 3a 115
This does leave the problem of the parents' marriage being apparently after that birth -- but in 1884 they would have been 17ish - ?
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Apr 2010 20:44 |
The age is out but I think this is that Maud.
1901
Name: Maud A Baker Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1884 Relation: Granddaughter >>> Where born: Britford, Middlesex, England [Brentford, of course]
Name: John Baker Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Emma >>> Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Stainforth Town: Stainforth >>> County/Island: Yorkshire
John Baker 60 Emma Baker 60 Maud A Baker 17 Ada Baker 15
And I'm thinking she is indeed a good candidate.
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Androo
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9 Apr 2010 20:43 |
Maud Woodhead (previously Davis, nee Baker) died in 1970 in Keighley. Don't know the exact date but it doesn't really matter at this stage I don't think.
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9 Apr 2010 20:41 |
Could I just ask when Maud died.
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Androo
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9 Apr 2010 20:41 |
Thanks Janey. That's the household that looks sort of likely, very likely even, and yet could be completely wrong. If only the earlier Maud hadn't vanished. I'm sorry I didn't tell you enough to start with. There is another lone Maud in 1901 in a workhouse, but I can't think of any reason why she would be there if her family are alive. I appreciate your efforts. Finding Maud in 1901 is probably the key to this.
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Apr 2010 20:31 |
So for info, this is the potential household in 1891?
Name: Maude Baker Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Robert Mother's Name: Charlotte Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: Acton Town: Acton County/Island: Middlesex Registration district: Brentford
Robert Baker 24 - bricklayer Charlotte Baker 24 Maude Baker 3
and in 1901
Name: Roberta Baker [Robert A Baker] Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Charlotte Where born: Ealing, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Acton
Roberta Baker 35 - labourer Charlotte Baker 34 John H Baker 9 Sarah E Baker 4
Ah. You're the one who has corrected the transcription. Dang.
No cab driver though?
That couple would be this marriage:
Marriages Sep 1886 > Baker Robert Allam Brentford > HUCKELL Charlotte Brentford SAVILL George James Brentford Sutton Mary Brentford 3a 132
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Apr 2010 20:20 |
Just a tip - it would have been nice to know those various tidbits from the outset. The marriage certificate details, of course. And also the 1901 census possibility, since match looks quite good and it would have been useful for pondering/searching for Maud's whereabouts.
It's really quite frustrating to have spent time searching and learn there was info available but not disclosed.
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Androo
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9 Apr 2010 20:13 |
Thanks all. That's good work, and correct about the marriage to Joseph, but I've kind of already been down that path and it turns out to be no real help unfortunately.
I requested the birth cert of the most likely Maud with the proviso that the father's name was Robert (that's what it says on the marriage cert with Joseph Davis). But it wasn't.
It's frustrating to have the date of birth but not be able to find her birth record.
She may not have been born Maud of course. And Deptford (on the 1911 census) might be a red herring. Family has also mentioned Hayes in Middlesex as a place she lived.
Tantalisingly, parish birth records show a Sarah Baker (Maud's sister?) with parents Robert and Charlotte in 1897. This Robert is a cab driver. On Maud's marriage cert in 1959 it says her father's called Robert and he's a taxi driver. This Robert and Charlotte do seem to have also had a daughter called Maud, but she's not there on the 1901 census at age 13-ish and I can't find a death.
I feel like I'm missing some crucial clever thought that will lead me to the answer! It's driving me mad. I'm in contact with her grandson who lived with her for a while but he has no memory of anything. Even her mother's first name would help but no, he knows nothing. Perhaps I could have him hypnotised...
Thanks for looking the stuff up chaps, but I fear I may need Hercule Poirot on this one.
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Apr 2010 00:39 |
You need to start with her marriage certificate, which will state her father's name -- if she knew it, and if she reported it correctly.
This birth matches the Maud in the 1891 census, but the only way to know whether she's yours is to match the father's name to the one on the mrge cert.
Births Jun 1885 Baker Maud Primrose Greenwich 1d 994
Deptford was in Greenwich registration district.
... Nope. That is the only Maud Primrose Baker birth in the index, and this looks like her marriage:
Marriages Mar 1907 BAKER Maud Primrose Poplar 1c 878 ENRIGHT Monica Poplar 1c 878 Horlick Charles Henry Poplar 1c 878 O'Keeffe John Poplar 1c 878
-- she married Charles Horlick; they're together in Greenwich in 1911.
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brummiejan
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9 Apr 2010 00:16 |
Fits your info but not sure obviously:
1891 England Census about Maud P Baker Name: Maud P Baker Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Deptford, Kent, England Civil parish: St Nicholas Ecclesiastical parish: Deptford St Nicholas Town: Deptford County/Island: London
Registration district: Greenwich Sub-registration district: St Nicholas Deptford
Mary Baker 37 Frances E Baker 16 Maud P Baker 5
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brummiejan
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9 Apr 2010 00:10 |
Just checking - this is their marriage>
Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%) Baker Maud Keighley 9a 359 DAVIES Joseph Keighley 9a 359 HAGGAS William Keighley 9a 359 SPENCER Sara Keighley 9a 359
And 1911:
DAVIS, Joseph Head Married M 22 1889 Labourer In Foundry Keighley Yorkshire VIEW DAVIS, Maud Wife Married 3 years F 23 1888 Deptford in County Kent VIEW DAVIS, Charlotte Daughter F 2 1909 Keighley Yorkshire VIEW DAVIS, Elizabeth Daughter F 1 1910 Keighley Yorkshire VIEW
Registration District: Keighley Sub District: Keighley EnumerationDistrict: 40 Parish: Keighley Address: 18 Harcourt St Keighley County: Yorkshire (West riding)
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Androo
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8 Apr 2010 23:46 |
I'm stuck with just one strand of the family: my gg grandmother. Maud Baker (b. 05.10.1887 (in Deptford according to the 1911 census)) is a mystery until she got married to Joseph Davi(e)s in 1907. D.O.B. is on death record but I can't match her on Free BMD or get birth cert. Her father, Robert, was a taxi driver. She married Albert Woodhead in 1959 when Joseph Davis died. There are connections with Kent, London and Keighley, West Yorkshire. Any clues? I need to find her birth so I can trace her parents.
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