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Dee

Nearly time for mid-morning dog walk but I'll pop this on now in case you've got your PC back! I'll pop back on the thread later because I've got another little batch to keep you going until the 14th but I've a little more sorting to do first.

I seem to have got in a stew with all my Briaris's. I've got more than one Arthur in my tree (of course) from census records and I seem to have married off poor Harriet to two of them. Would you be kind enough to find Births & the Marriage so I can put it straight.

Marriages Jun 1911
Barber Harriet M
Briaris Arthur St. Olave

Births Jun 1887
Briaris Arthur St. Olave - There is a marriage date against this one of 04/06/1911 on my tree but no place - Can only assume this was from information given to me by a friend who told me of someone else researching same family.

Births Sep 1891
Briaris Arthur Edward St Saviour

Births Mar 1863
BRIARIS Arthur St George S Know this one married Beatrice Copas because you got me the Marriage details.

Thanks in advance
Jeanie

Good gracious - lost my community name again! I only looked at My Account to change settings on something else!!!

Set it again.

Hi Dee

I've popped back on a few times since earlier post. Can I take it congratulations are in order?

Jeanie

Morning Jeanie,

Got my PC until the kids wake up, had a late naight last night so hopefully they'll still be in bed for another hour.... fingers crossed.

STILL no baby, expectant Mum is getting very fed up now.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Arthur Briaris
Name: Arthur Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 2 Dec 1887
Father's Name: William Briaris >> Labourer
Mother's Name: Ellen Briaris
Parish: St Mary, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

DOB 8th April 1887.

Address; 17 Rotherhithe Street


Annoying but I can only see this 1 baptism!!




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Arthur Briaris
Name: Arthur Briaris >> Tea Blender
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Spouse Name: Harriett Martha Berber
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Jun 1911
Parish: St Mary, Rotherhithe
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Briaris >> Carman
Spouse Father Name: William James Berber >> Deceased, no occupation given


Address for Arthur; 3 Amity (?) Street.

Address for Harriett; 88 Clarence Street


Witnesses; Herbert William Dear and Isabella Briaris





Dee xx

This looks like Arthur Edwards death, sadly I don't see a marriage for him;

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Arthur E H Briaris
Name: Arthur E H Briaris
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 23
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 768



Looking at the 1901 census, he has 2 brothers Alfred J... no baptism and Percy C (Copas).... no baptism for him, just a marriage.





Dee x

Looking for Edward born to Alfred and Matilda,

I only see 2 possibles on the 1901;

1901 England Census
about Edward Briars
Name: Edward Briars
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Borough, London, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Scaffolder

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 175

Too many others to list, maybe a Boarding House?




1901 England Census
about Edward Briars
Name: Edward Briars
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints North Peckham
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Woodyard labourer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 274
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Nulbrourn 61
Vivian Taylor 16
Edward Briars 31


I don't see a marriage for him either.



Dee x

Jeanie............... just got news, Baby is on the way!!!! Whoop whoop!!!


Dee x

Hi Dee

Very glad to hear your news. Hope all goes smoothly. My day has been quite eventful too but unfortunately not in a welcome way. Will fill you in sometime.

This is first opportunity to check my threads since before you posted this morning.

You've certainly found more than I did. You've given me quite a deal to study as per usual. I'll go away and digest it.

I'll leave posting my last little batch as I expect you will have better things to do but if you do want to get the last little bit out of your Ancestry let me know.

Best regards to you all.

Jeanie

Hi Jeanie,

Still waiting... poor girl, I really don't envy her.

Anyway I will be about alittle today, so if your pop your other queries on I'll have a look about for you.

I'll catch up with you privately soon.


Dee x

Hi Dee

As you say, poor girl! My first was relatively quick and fairly easy I thought. Complications set in later - so perhaps it is not the best thing to be quick. I do sympathise with her anyway.

I'll go and get my long list of other Briaris queries now.

All my best
Jeanie

Here we go Dee:

Have now sorted out further enquiries. Hope this one will put the Briaris family to bed.
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I have marriage details - would appreciate baptisms (if they were baptised of course).
Marriages Jun 1892
BRIARIS Walter St. Saviour
ROWLES Emily Margaret

Births Mar 1895
Briaris Emily Matilda Camberwell

Births Jun 1897
Briaris Edith Ethel St. Saviour (died 1898 aged 1)
Briaris Elsie Victoria

Births Mar 1904 I've only just found this one - no idea where she fits.
Briaris May Elson R Southwark

Births Jun 1905
Briaris May Elizabeth Southwark
Briaris Walter John
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Do not seem to have allocated this birth to any particular branch yet:

Births Sep 1902
Briaris Beatrice Alice Southwark but suspect she is on the line from the Arthur who married Beatrice Copos.

I'll pop this one in as well - she is descended from Matilda Briaris's daughter Kitty who married William Devitt.

Marriages Jun 1912
Devitt Kitty E Windsor Greenwich
Windsor John P Greenwich (maybe this is not within scope of records but expect you'll tell me).

Thanks
Jeanie

PS I'll pop back later. I'm all behind - dogs at the door with leads in their mouths!

Edit: Popped back to tell you I've just discovered some notes I made ages ago which were buried. Two more Marriages
Mar 1908 Harry Briaris married Emma Record or Lucy Weaver?
Mar 1910 George Briaris married Alice Sarah Young or Rhoda Young??? Both St. Olave.

Crikey Jeanie you dont mess about do you??

I will start on it later.

Congrats Dee if they are now in order...Hope everything is ok with your lot~~~~~~~~

And long time no see.

Name: Walter Briaris>>railway porter
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Emily Margaret Rowles
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Jun 1892
Parish: St Mary Magdalene
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Alfred Briaris>Werton St for both.
Witnesses>>Ada Taylor and John Rowles

Maybe
Name: Emily Margaret Rose Rowles
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Aug 1874
mother..Harriet Amelia Rowles
Father's Name: John Rowles>1 princes St born 23/10/1870

Dont see one for Walter Briaris.

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Name: Emily Matilda Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 19 Dec 1894
Father's Name: Walter Briaris>28/11/1894
42 Kempshed Rd? Albany R

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Name: Edith Ethel Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 7 Apr 1897
Father's Name: Walter Briaris>>>Carman
Mother's Name: Emily Briaris
Parish: Lady Margaret Church
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

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Name: May Elizabeth Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 14 Jun 1904
Father's Name: Walker Briaris>>>Carman
Mother's Name: Emily Margaret Briaris
Parish: Lady Margaret Church
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Name: Walker John Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 14 Jun 1904
Father's Name: Walker Briaris
Mother's Name: Emily Margaret Briaris
Parish: Lady Margaret Church
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

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Born 11/05/1904

And Walker should of course read Walter as per original.

Dont see May Elson Briaris..Poor kid being named that...



Name: Beatrice Alice Briaris
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Jul 1902
Father's Name: Arthur Briaris>>>Carman
Mother's Name: Beatrice Briaris
Parish: St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Born 16/06/1902

15Preston Buildings Comms Place

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This site is playing up and I keep losing my pasting,will have to go over some again,will be back later...

I cant find Harry Briaris married 1908

Name: George Briaris>>carman
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Spouse Name: Alice Sarah Ann Young
Spouse Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Jun 1910
Parish: St Mary, Rotherhithe
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: William Briaris>>carman
Spouse Father Name: Robert Young>>deceased

Address for both>> 3 ???St
Wits>>Martin Samuel Boston and Isabella Briaris

Rhoda Young is on the same page and has the same father details,so a double wedding methinks,well it helps cut costs...


Name: Kiltz Emma Devitt
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: John Preas Windsor>carpenter
Spouse Father Name: John Windsor>>gardener (deceased)

Address for both>>113 Brooksmith Rd ??
Wits.>>??H Dingle and
G.E.Llewellyn

Aha,, here is Harry,I should have used my brains earlier..


Name: Harry Brians>53 Lower Rd

Bride>>>20 Reson St

Wits>>>>Florence Annie Hind??
and Thomas Weaver.


Oh $%^$%%^^ its doing it again.

I will do those last 2 YET again Tomorrow...

Fanny

You are an angel. Wasn't really expecting you to be on here on a Saturday night!
I really only wanted you to do the children listed for Walter and Emily but I'm very pleased to get grandmother's baptism record.
Your findings confirm that Edith Ethel was my Aunt Elsie's twin that died young. Thought I had a very vague memory that I was told she had one.
Sorry you've been having problems. Anytime will do. Just this family has been doing my head in. Thought Briaris would be simple as such an uncommon name but It's been a right pain - what with misspellings and everyone calling their children after themselves and their uncles and aunts. Gets so confusing. Glad we have a bit of variety nowadays.
Thank you so much for jumping on board.
Regards
Jeanie

Will get back to your lot later Jeanie but...
Phone call from youngest son to say I am Grannyviv for the 4th time today.
Their first.
Oliver weighed in at 9lb at 20 to 9 this morning.

Name: Kiltz Emma Devitt
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: John Preas Windsor
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Apr 1912
Parish: St John, Deptford
County: London
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: William George Devitt
Spouse Father Name: John Windsor

Name: Harry Brians
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Spouse Name: Lucy Weaver
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Jul 1908
Parish: All Saints, Rotherhithe
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Henry Edward Brians
Spouse Father Name: James Weaver

Great news. So pleased for you. Think I'll just have to be satisfied with my three granddaughters by my daughter. Think son has given up on ever finding anyone to suit him (or I might add put up with him)! Still waiting to hear news from Dee as to what her stepson's wife produced.

Thanks so much for finishing off this line for me. Putting that to bed now. May look again when 1921 census goes on line - if I haven't dropped off my perch by then.

Jeanie