Find Ancestors

And here's me late to the party again. I am having to reboot my computer because I have had so many windows and tabs open for so long that it is on work to rule, and when I do that I will lose the copy of the rpevious thread that I still have open now (since it has been deleted). So I am just going to copy it here -- sorry to have been so long replying to your suggestion that I send it to you, AuntyS, my mum was visiting and I haven't been over to the computer. Most if not all of it is probably already here now, but just in case, I'll add it -- and if there is anything that should not be included here, I'll delete it.

>> Janice

i have come to a dead end with searchingi must be the last surviving member.of Sy dney and evelyn Horne ne dooley,from Lidcombe.janice


>> AuntySherlock

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>> JaneyCanuck

Howdy, AuntyS.

birth
25239/1890
HORNE SYDNEY G
JOHN
JESSIE
NEWTOWN

death
13677/1967
HORNE SYDNEY GEORGE
[father not shown]
JESSIE
SUTHERLAND

The death certificate should list all of the deceased's children, and also have an informant's name that could be useful.

siblings:

19373/1873
HORNE CHRISTOPHER
JOHN
JESSIE
TENTERFIELD

6965/1887
HORNE FLORIA J
JOHN
JESSIE
ST PETERS

In case you're interested in cousins, Janice?

I wonder whether Janice knows how to find replies ... and although this isn't actually the board for specific family history searches, not to post on others ...

Janice -- you have Sydney in your tree born 1898; do you have the wrong date, or do I have the wrong Sydney? A Sydney born 1898 would not likely have married in 1913. Are the other Sydneys in trees, born 1896-7, the same one?


>> AuntySherlock

[info deleted from this copy because it has already been added to this new thread now]


>> JaneyCanuck

Death of a child:
6498/1963
HORNE ERIC GEORGE
SYDNEY GEORGE
EVELYN MAY
PARRAMATTA

This one looks rather garbled; possibly another child's death?
60666/1972
HORNE EUGENE ETHEL
SYDNEY
ETHEL MAY
PARRAMATTA

marriages:

10527/1942
HORNE LESLIE BEDE
DAVIDSON DORA MAY
ANNANDALE

17671/1940
HORNE ERIC GEORGE
BEVERIDGE NANCY MAY
AUBURN


>> JaneyCanuck

btw -- I looked because ... if they turn out to be connected with Hornes of Canterbury, England, then we're cousins! ;)
[Janice's Horne seems to be from Middlesex, so no cousins for me]


>> AuntySherlock

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Janey have you tried a trace back to UK. If Janice replies she may have that info.


cont'd


[all edited now as AuntyS requested below, to remove duplicated info]

>> JaneyCanuck

Pretty hard, AuntyS, with Sydney's father being John, and no idea of when born or parents.

I don't see a marriage for them in NSW.

Given that their first child born in NSW was 1873, I wonder --

Marriages Sep 1871
DUNCAN Alice Poplar 1c 1243
Higgin Robert Poplar 1c 1243
? Horne John Poplar 1c 1243
? RYE Jessie Poplar 1c 1243

Aha! 1871 England:

Name: Jessie Rye
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William R
Mother's Name: Sarah
Where born: Southice, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green

death
5990/1934
HORNE JESSIE
WILLIAM
SARAH
ROCKDALE

and for John, I'd guess, in 1871:

Name: John Horne
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Cook
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: Bethnal House Private Lunatic Asylum



And that's when I went to bed, having established that Janice and I were not likely Horne cousins. :(

When the Aussies wake up they can catch me up on where we're at.

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All duplicate material deleted.

Janey, Thanks for that. One last deletion please. The one above timed at 21.18

I need to go. Will be back later to sort out.

Janice, Take it easy and read through all this. There will be info which is not yours and some parts are still not found.

We should be able to start filling in gaps on your tree with what is there.

I will catch you later.

I've had a chance to read through now -- had just wanted to get that info copied into this thread in case my Firefox went crash and I lost it.

For the ancestral part, which I think you're interested in, Janice --

I would be fairly confident that the Jessie Rye whose census info I posted on the previous thread is your Jessie married to John Horne. The census shows her as born about 1850 in "Southice" (a misreading of Southsea), Hampshire.

Two people here at GR have Jessie Rye born 1850 in Southsea, Hampshire. If I have found the right Jessie Rye for you, those people would probably be relations of yours in some way.


I also found this death of a Horne with parents Jessie and John in NSW

10522/1897
HORNE HERBERT L
JOHN W
JESSIE
SYDNEY

with no birth to match, but this coincidental birth in England -- Bethnal Green is where the Jessie Rye and John Horne I was looking at married in 1871:

Births Jun 1876
Horne Herbert Lewis Bethnal Green 1c 225

Possibly on a trip home?


Uh oh. It's looking like my confidence may be misplaced. The 1881 UK census has:

Name: Jessie Horne
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John
Where born: Portsmouth Southsea

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Street Address: 13 Thoydon Rd
Registration district: Bethnal Green

John Horne 30
Jessie Horne 31
John Horne 7
Herbert Horne 5
Ernest Horne 1


However -- that household is not there in 1891.

And this could explain the long gap between the children born in NSW -- Christopher 1873 and Floria 1887.

Re (what seems to be) daughter Floria, sister of Sydney:

marriage
9196/1906
STANWAY THOMAS B
HORNE FLORIA J
SYDNEY

death
21946/1957
STANWAY FLORIA JANE
father JOHN
7O YRS
ROCKDALE

only birth before 1909:
28700/1907
STANWAY FLORIA T V
THOMAS B
FLORIA J
ROCKDALE

marriage of child:
6120/1929
WHITAKER CHARLES F
STANWAY FLORIA T V
ROCKDALE

No death for Floria Stanway Whitaker before 1979.

Hi Janice, Now it is over to you. I think you have enough information to begin sorting out your history. Take your time and go through all the information.

Write it down in tree form or put it directly onto your GR tree. GR does not have the best trees in the world but it will help you sort the information.

Take care where someone does not fit. They might not be one of your rellies.

Make notes where there are gaps.

When you find gaps or need clarification come back to this thread and ask questions.

Your gaps will also show you where you need certificates/transcripts. Remember transcripts have the same information (or less if you only need part of a certificate), and are not as expensive.

When you have this sorted you will know whether you wish to go any further. You may be satisfied with having the answers to your quest, or this might start an adventure to discover more.

Keep your thread going. Each time you put something on a thread it moves itself up to the first page of the board. This thread will always appear in my My Threads list, because I have posted on it. If anyone suggests you delete this thread please talk to Janey or myself first.


Good luck. I will give you time to absorb the info. There are a couple more things which need adding but later will do.

Sorry. I keep thinking about things after I've finished.


Your certificates. There is a cut off date in Australia for accessing BDM information of a historical nature. However if you need to obtain your parents certificates you are able to apply to the Registrar of BDM for those certificates. How to do this is on the NSW BDM web site for which you have the link.

Aunty Sherlock,hi oboy! you must have been sitting for hours to get all of that information,and while i was asleep! i am up and away now with information which i will follow up.the leslie bede Horne did marry Dora May from Annandale dbut was always called May.i remember now because when my father died the police came to the nurses quarters where i was doing my 4 yrs training to become a registered nurse,theygave me Uncle Leslie`s adress in Lidcombe to pick up the key to my fathers flat and empty it.that was were i first auntyMay and 2 cousins a boy also called Leslie and a girl i think her name was Lorraine.i took my Charlie with me and he helped mum refused to be involved she was very angry with both the police for finding me,and the other family for not just doing it themselves.Iwalked through that flat and also the empty house in Bede stLidcombe it was so quiet.My father also brought a block of land(crown land)at a place up near me called Umina. i also had to dispose of that at18 yrs old what did i know?he had partly built the house but was900 pounds in arrears with land taxes the soliciter advsed me tolet it go(i bet he brought it) shortly after that ihad a mental collapse was hospitalised for 12weeksdue to the pressure ofit allandtrying to studyand stillwork my shifts. i forgot a lot of things i went back to work after4months and was having trouble remembering simple things .the DR explained it was the brains way of coping aftera lot of stress and mum would not shutup and leave me alone thank god for my Charlie he was my only support .but we got through it,Ifinished my training,we marriedand had our own family and i concentrated on just being the best mum that i could be.it must have been ok because they still love mum and dad.thanksonce again for your help and supportregards Janice.ps i will also thank the others and then go to bed

OK. Just take your time and study the info. I know we keep saing that but it will take you a while to absorb it all. I need an early night tonight so I will catch you tomorrow or when you come back to your thread again. Goodnight for now.

hi JaneyCanuckand Cynthia,thank you all so very much for your hard work inhelping me. i think i will have to be a rocket scientist to remember all of it so i am printing it out to read and absorb at my own pace i am not a whiz like you girls ,but it is starting to be fun JaneyCanuck thank you for today i will get back to you soon it is late and the eyes are getting heavy,regardsJanice.

Most welcome, Janice. AuntyS is your woman (one of our women - and men, of course ;) ) for modern-day Australia. If you want to get going back in time, let us know, but I completely understand that you're wanting to focus on finding living rellies for now, and good luck!

Someone said there was a problem posting on this thread - this is just a 'try out'.

edit - seems fine. Most have been a server glitch.

Thanks DET I needed another technical opinion. I am still having the same happen when I click the add button under Janice's post.

Aunty Sherlock,hello. I posted on the board late last night(trying to find) it just came up asWhitaker Charles and Floria T V .I n the message i did state Australia nsw but forgot to put the birthdate.i quickley had a reply stating that i could have said please are some of the helpers so sarcastic and have no time or patience to realise that maybe not everone is as clever at this as they are?i repled to her and apologised for upsetting her .but she upset me. Jaice PSi thought i had better let you kmow what happened i am not a rude person am i?

AuntySherlock, when she recovers from her adventures today, will probably say, try not to take it too personally. Unfotunately a number of people just 'demand' and NEVER say please and thank you which can be quite irritating! You have explained your self quite well in your later post, so the debate should be at rest.

If you wanted to, you could always delete the Whittaker thread, (delete your first post) and start again with Australia in the title and explain in your post that you do have another thread running about the ancestors but that you are looking for living descendents. That should stop people covering the same ground as here.

What ever you do, DO NOT DELETE THIS ONE or AS and JC will have your guts for garters - lol

Well Janice, you've come on in leaps and bounds since we were in touch last week haven't you? Well done you!


JaneyC and AuntyS have really worked wonders with your family and you must be so pleased. It is fun to do isn't it?


However, like AuntyS says, take it slowly and write it all down till it looks and 'feels' right. Do you have an offline tree at all - such as Family Tree Maker as it's always best to have a back up in case things get lost on the internet tree.


I'm not that good at things yet, but I found it really helpful to take one branch of the family at a time and get them 'right' in my brain so that I could remember who was who. I got really impatient and wanted to rush, but it just wasn't worth it because I made mistakes.


Anyway, I'm so glad it's all coming together for you.


To be honest, I am not sure you should start another thread at the moment because there is enough going on on here to keep you busy and, everytime sometime like myself adds to this thread, it goes back to the top of the board to be seen again but see what AuntyS says - when she finished whatever it is she's doing!!!


I will continue to watch your progress. Kind regards, Cx.

Hi Janice, I've spent my day away from the computer searching through old fashioned books and fiche records. Think I need to take my bed there and stay overnight because I need lots more time at it.

DET and Cynthia have given good advice. You do need to hasten slowly and put your tree together first.

However I too am one for going off on a tangent. I like to keep several pots boiling at the same time. There is no reason why you should not put your new search on this thread. Just remember our conversation about living people. There are experts here who can tell you what strategies to use to find living people. The chances of you finding living people are improved by your contacting those on the GR search trees.

As we explained as soon as you add something the thread will move back up the board to the top and people will look to see what has been added. This is all about your family and it often helps if the information is kept together. Printing it or cutting and pasting it to a Word document is also a sensible idea.

Also think about an offline tree. Legacy is one which can be downloaded for free. It is quite good and there are lots of interesting things you can do with it. However I found it a bit of a challenge to learn how to use. Takes a little patience.

So, from the Impossible Mission Team. Your tasks are:

Go through the information on this thread.
Add it to your tree.
Look for the gaps in the information.
Work out what transcripts you need (or certificates) to fill those gaps.
Ask on this thread for additional information.

Put your new search information on this thread.
Be careful of naming living people. Try the Search trees icon first.

And to answer your question. No I do not find you rude.

Aunty Sherlock ,hi thanks for the last comment.i will follow yourtasks.I Ido suffer with foot in mouth disease , and fire up a bit when i think ihave been unfairly accused of some thing , but i will keep my tongue between my teeth from now on i promiseregards Janice.