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Thanks Christine
Sorry I had to go away for a while. I will look into this one too. Mothers name although not correct could have been transcribes wrongly ----Hannah; Meanna; Susana, all sound similar !!!
Anne

I've just found this on Familysearch pilot site.

Name: William Plum
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 May 1870
Baptism/Christening Place: Birdbrook, Essex, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Daniel Plum
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Susana
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03388-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1702147
Reference Number: 94
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Christine

Thanks
I think it will be the first one, I will get the cert
Anne

Could one of these be the birth reg?

The 1871 details are probably the same one and problems deciphering the page number.

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
PLUMB William Risbridge 4a 459


Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
PLUMB William Risbridge 4a 418
Plumb William Risbridge 4a 448

Christine

William Plum was born abt 1870 in Birdbrook Essex

I can't find the registration of his birth.
Thanks
Anne

Well I thought I had come to the end

But........
Fanny Pointer married William Plum registered dec qtr 1895 at Milton Kent Vol No 2a Page 1782.
William died age about 82 in 1952 Registered in Chatham Vol 5b page 282
The 1901 census gives him as born Birdbrook Essex in 1870 which corresponds with age at death.

I can't find registration of this birth.

To confuse matters there are two families with the father Deniel from Birdbrook the other went to live in London in Tottenham. Both had wives Hannah and Meanna (similar) & sons William but their ages don't match. Confusing!!


Anne

Hi Ginny
Well I think I have got them sorted, but I would never have done it without your help. I just need to make a visit to the City ark in strood kent and then I am finished. I am now trying to trace what happened to their children ( My grandmother's) nephews and nieces after 1911

I will put it on Success stories with a cross to surname information as I think it could help others. We did it all by using the web and I did not have to buy a certificate in the end

Thanks again Anne

Good grief Ann, Id forgot how much this involved.....where are you now with things???

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replied to Joan privately as she is not related

Anne

Hi Anne I noticed you had a Alice in your fam. my gr gr gr grandmother was Alice Rowell born c.1815 & married a James Edgar Holliady they had 2 dau's Jane Ann & Isabella Edgar Holliday, do you have any links, Alice's mother was called Isabella & her father was Jacob. Joan

Hi

Yes I like this, in fact I had wondered if he had joined up and was starting to trawl though the national archives service records.

I had not bought certs for this family firstly as I expected them to be difficult and secondly is that they are so expensive now. I wanted to be as sure as I could be as I have some of the info in the Family Bible. It now looks as if I will have too.
Anne

The death of James Painter doesnt look to be the same James 'Painter' Poynter that married Emma as they are on the 71 census!

I wonder if this is Henry


1871 England Census
about Henry Pointer
Name: Henry Pointer
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Gender: Male
Where born: Odiham, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frimley
ED, institution, or vessel: 50th Queens Own Regiment of Infantry
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
James Murtagh 34
Margaret Murtagh 30
Thomas F Murtagh 12
Catherine Murtagh 10
Helen Murtagh 8
Eliza Murtagh 1
Anne Mahoney 26
Catherine Mahoney 3
John Mahoney 1
Henry Neal 24
George Newton 19
John Norris 19
George Northcott 19
William Notley 33
Thomas Nugent 35
John Oakhill 18
Daniel Oconnell 37
John Oneill 36
Henry Oneill 18
Edward Over 25
Alfred Packer 20
William Paine 31
Elizabeth Paine 25
Mary E Paine 3
John W E Paine 1
Thomas Paltridge 17
William Parkinson 19
Philip Parkinson 28
George Peachey 21
William Peacock 27
William Pearson 35
John Phillips 28
Joseph Phillips 26
William H Phillips 24
Thomas Phillips 25
Thomas Pillman 23
Uriah Pinegar 29
Isaac Pinker 33
Norah Pinker 24
John Pirker 2
James P Pirker 9 months
William Pimm 34
Henry Pointer 25
William Pope 24
John Powe 18
Charles Preston 18
Henry Pricer 24
William Prior 21
William Petchey 18
Alfred Pryke 31
James Pullen 19
John Rake 19
William Ralph 23
James Raw 39
Patrick Raw 35
John Redgway 24
James Redmond 35
George Rice 20
Richard W Richards 22
Tom S Richardson 20
James Riley 21
William Riley 24
James Kiordan 34
Alfred Robins 17
Charles Robinson 33
J?? Robinson 39
George Rose 19
James Rourke 21
Edward Rowbottom 33
Edward Ruse 19
James Ryan 15
John Ryan 42
William Ryan 19
Patrick Ryan 37
Charles Sage 32
Henry Savin 37
James Sayers 27
Abraham Schram 20
George Selby 23
Larry Setchell 31
Joseph Sewill 28
Edwin Shaddock 19
Charles Shallard 19
Joseph Shanahon 22
Robert Shaw 37
John Sheldon 24
Henry Sheppard 17
William Shether 34
George Shilson 19
William Shirley 19
George Shute 21
Thomas Shute 19
George Silligs 25
Robert Simonds 29
James Simpson 31
Charles Singer 20
Richard Skeels 32
Matilda Skeels 30
Edward J Skeels 2
Mary Ann Skeels 9 months


Ann, do you have certificates to verify all this info?

Hi Ginny.. Problem!! there is a death of James Painter June qtr 1860 2a 6?
farnborough. But I like yours better.!!
Anne

That's fantastic.. I think you have done it .. you have found the connection to Reigate. I should have gone back over these, but at the time I was tying to find out what happened to my Gt Aunts. Now I am writing the descendants from George and therefore finding holes that I am trying to plug.
Anne

I edited to add his occ and it trashed the lot as you can see. Here it is again

1871 England Census
about James Poynter
Name: James Poynter
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma L
Gender: Male
Where born: Long Sutton, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Headley
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
James Poynter 28 <<Gardener
Emma L Poynter 26
William G Poynter 1 month
Mary A Holter 13 <<Sister inlaw ...hmm

There are Pointers( Poynters) in Reigate and Thanet, but I don't think they fit.into the puzzle, as most of mine stayed in Hampshire around Long Sutton until the whole family moved to Milton (Rainham) where they stayed.

Anne

Hi Ginny

Thanks that is helpful, I am hoping to make a visit to Winchester sometime. I think they have some of the records.

I'm particularly worried about Henry. I don't think the two match up. The family were all land workers and in 1861 he was working on Manor Farm Well Long Sutton I can't find him on any census until he pops up in 1891 as a bricklayer born in Essex

However Annie seems right. She was born in 1880 in Rainham Kent after the family moved there about 1878.
Anne

Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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POYNTER William George Reigate 2a 167


Looks like the child from the 1871 census with mom Emma and father James. George as the middle name after his grandfather?

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Name: James Poynter 99%)
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LOVELL Emma Jennett Southampton 2c 78
PAINTER James Southampton 2c 78

I wouldnt be suprised if this is your James marriage. Again you'd need the certificate to confirm

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You wont find a birth registration for George as it was before civil registration began

A baptism might be found but I doubt you'd get this online

As for James, this looks promising


Births Jun 1842 (>99%)
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Poynter James Farnham 4 126

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Births Dec 1844 (>99%)
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POINTER James Whitchurch H 7 224


Do you have certificates for the info you are gathering, as you cant be sure unless you do

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