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Yes all the names & birth dates are correct for the family who moved to B/ham and I cannot find them anywhere else and sorry its her daughter Annie who was illegitimate that was born in the Union Workhouse Berrington, Lucy was born at Simpsons Square Shrewsbury.

Annoying question here!

We have located your Lucy and the Lucy with parents John and Martha.

My question is - how have you decided your Lucy is this one?

I am trying to eliminate the possibility that they are 2 different Lucy's - or even that your Lucy was in fact Louisa and Lucy was a pet name.

Do the witnesses to the marriage offer a clue?

Jan

This must be the marriage.

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)

Bennett Louisa Atcham 6a 1185
Shotton William Atcham 6a 1185

Why did you decide that she was Lucy and not Louisa?

What was her father's occupation on the marriage cert?

It looks as if the other family found in 1881 could be your Louisa.

Christine

I'm still lookng in here...

I really think you need to look at the possibility that you have gone down the wrong route and that the family in Birmingham is not yours at all. I can only think you have looked for a Lucy who matches and found the wrong person. Speaking as one who knows!!
It's possible for a person to be census returns twice, but not under both married and maiden name really - and certainly not to have been buried twice!!
Thanks for looking folks, getting worried I was on the wrong tack here.
Jan

Christine, meant to say - if you look on 1901 & 1911 previous page the Louise who married William Shotton does indeed seem to call herself Lucy. But I'm thinking maybe she used Lucy as a short version of Louisa? The year of marriage fits too of course.
Don't see a Louisa Shotton death in Shropshire so the Lucy death there could well be her.
Jan

I'm getting more puzzled as we go on - why was she baptised Lucy and on her death certificate she was Lucy.

The family who moved to Birmingham have all the names of the family who lived in Shrewsbury also all the children including Lucy were baptised in Shrewsbury.
What do you suggest I do try to locate Lucy start at the end and work backwards?
I know she married William Shotton and the details on the 1901 & 1911 census are correct I have still to locate the Death of William Shotton, on the marriage certificate her father is John Bennett, Labourer when he was in fact a Bricklayer the place of residence at time of marriage given as Bayston Hill which is a suburb of Shrewsbury.When Lucy married she signed with a
X but the person I have been corresponding with re Bennett family tells me that when her sister Emily married in 1897 she signed her name.
If the Birmingham family are nothing to do with 'my' Lucy what happened to my Bennetts after 1891? I cannot find any mention of the whole famiily.

But you might not have found your Bennetts at all!! The family in1911 is indeed the family on the other census reports but you do not know they are yours. Why do you think they are?

There are several Lucy Bennetts with father John in Shropshire, never mind the Louisa's.
The baptism you have found is not necessarily your Lucy.

Right, shall we go back to basics? What do you actually know? Forget the B'ham family for a minute. I am thinking it is:

"Lucy" married William Shotton but was recorded as Louisa

Her father was John Bennett

She was born in Shropshire about 1865

Jan

Re the X for not being able to write. I once heard that sometimes even if they could write it was assumed they couldnt.
Now just say she couldnt write..said her name was Lucy and the registrar or whoever asked if it was Lousia,she might have just said yes.
Could even be the accent.
I've also got somebody in two places on census night.

Not much help in finding what you are looking for.

Let's just confirm - whatever else, these are two different people. One is single, one is married, they live in different places and died in different places in different years!
Lots of "differents" there but kind of illustrates the point?

was going to look through this but had to go out... I am sure as has been said that there are two families, and that the only way is to start from scratch with what you know is is absolutely definite...


but just as one to throw in

Name: Louise Bennet
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardington, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Church Preen
Town: Church Preen
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Registration district: Atcham
Sub-registration district: Condover
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members: Name Age
John Bennet 44
Sarah Bennet 30
Ann Bennet 12
Martha Bennet 6
Louise Bennet 4
John Bennet 3
Willm Bennet 6

All I know - my mother Mary Ellen Burgwin 1915 daughter of Leonard Burgwin(1874) & Annie (1894) Annie was the illigitimate dau of Lucy Bennett; Lucy age 27married William Shotton age 34 on 1 July1895 at Shrewsbury Reg. Office and her father recorded as John Bennett - labourer, his father recorded as Samuel Shotton (deceased) both signed with a X and she was listed as Louisa (cannot find any record of a Lucy Bennett marrying a Wiliam Shotton anywhere) signed in the presence of Fred McGliston & Gertrude Shotton, can only find record of a cousin Gertrude in tthe census forms
By church records I assumed she was the daughter of John & Martha Bennett living at Simpsons Sq. Shrewsbury.
I can only find 2 births in Shropshire for 1867 Lucy Bennett Shrewsbury Feb 1867 & Louisa Bennett o.n.d. 1867 Bridgnorth, in the 1871 census this Louisa had a father called John but I can find no record of them in 1881 census
When I look at it this way I know very little - where do I go from here.? help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sandra stop right there lol :))

first of all , taking this one step at a time...you know that Annie was the illigitimate dau of 'Lucy' becaus you have the birth cert...

so this is them in 1901

1901 England Census
about William Shotton
Name: William Shotton
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Longden, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Condover
Ecclesiastical parish: Condover
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Atcham
Sub-registration district: Condover
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
William Shotton 45
Lucy Shotton 39
Annie Bennett 6

you know that 'Lucy' was not called that but Louisa ( often misheard and mistranscribed as Louise sobear that in mind) her father was John a labourer.

so far so good... now the one thing you need is Louisa/Lucy's birth cert which i take it you don't have?

No I do not have a birth cert for Lucy, which one should I 'go' for Lucy or Louisa, I thought Lucy was the one but now I'm not sure because if I go for her its her family that moved to B/ham and Yes the mother of Annie was called LUCY.

right does it give Lucy's age on the marriage cert?

we have her as 39 in 1901 and only 43 in 1911 !

working on that ... births for an L Bennett between 1860 and 1868 only these are within striking distance really

?

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)

Bennett Louisa Madeley 6a 602


Births Mar 1867 (>99%)

Bennett Lucy Shrewsbury 6a 671


Births Dec 1867 (>99%)

Bennett Louisa Bridgnorth 6a 552

BENNETT Louisa Wellington, Sh. 6a 788

On her marriage certificate for July 1895 she is 27 years old On her death certificate August 1940 she is 74 years old. neither of these tally with Lucys birth in 1867

I am trying to eliminate the others...Loiusa born 1867 has a father John who is a farm labourer...

I think you can probably discount the birth cert of Louisa in Bridgenorth as there is a possible marriage for her in 1899

Sandra I wonder if the burial record might have an exact dob on it ? it is the one in Wellington ? 1940 ...

We've also got to bear in mind that all births were not registered as it wasn't compulsory at that date.

The Louise Bennet found by Rambling Rose could be a possibility as she was in the same area. Lucy says she was born Lyth Hill on one census and that is the Condover area.

Christine