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Marriages Mar 1843 (>99%)

DICKINSON Ann Ormskirk 21 367
HALSALL Robert Ormskirk 21 367
>>>>>>HEYES Henry Ormskirk 21 367
>>>>>>PARKER Elizabeth Ormskirk 21 367
Pennington Ann Ormskirk 21 367
RICHARDSON Joseph Ormskirk 21 367
Robinson Joseph Ormskirk 21 367





BUT nowhere have I seen Henry Heatley Heys



are you sure you are not reading too much in this thing??????????????




sylvia

Elizabeth (mother) has died by 1861

1861 Census

Name: Henry Heys
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Whittle-Le-Woods, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: North Meols
Town: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: North Meols

Henry Heys 63 Widower, Victualler
John Heys 11 b.ca 1850, Whittle-le-Woods
Ellen Heys 9 b.ca 1852, Whittle-le-Woods

William Ratter 24
James Walmsley 48
James Mc Gowan 23
John Hobin 60
Julia Daley 35
Ann Burns 28
Honer Killigan 16
Ann Martin 26
Mary Ashcroft 19
Margaret Warbutton 24
Mary Sherlock 28
Mary Keenan 20
Mary Garity 30
Ellen Garity 24
Jane Algo 29
Mary Mitchel 24
Alice Whitehead 18
Robert Lee J P Whitehead 29
Ann Whitehead 24
Edwin Whittacar 25
Harriett Whittacar 28
Henry Hughes 20
Ellen L Whittacar 6 MO
John Elam 40
Opha Full 23
Abel Buckley J P Full 66
Mary Full 64
Noah Full 40
Abel Full 25
Ellen Nightingale 63
William Farrer 41
George Lees 26
Joseph R Cross 41
George Pricher 24
Robert McHuraith 29
Joseph Clampett 33
John McIlwraith 40

Address:- Royal Hotel, No 1 Promenade


ALL except the Heys are either staff or Boarders at the hotel



I wonder if John should have been 4 months, not 4 years, on the 1851 Census??????





sylvia

Roman Catholic school - yes
The Heatleys were / are RC

Raikes Hall then became a Roman Catholic Convent School, until it moved to Little Layton in the mid 1870's

This has to be the same family related to the Heatleys of Brindle and Whittle

Just need to work out how these people link to John Heatley 1813 and to Captain William Heatley

All RC all from Whittle and Brindle or Preston

Lol Sorry

So Henry Heatley Heys is his dad from Whittle and his mum is Elizabeth

So george Heatley Heys and Mary Parker are some other members of the family

I need to digest all this.

Many thanks

Trying to follow the family through

this looks like Margaret and Elizabeth in 1861 ....... in school (poosibly a convent school)


1861 Census

Name: Elizabeth Heys
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Layton With Warbreck
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Fylde
Sub-registration district: Poulton le Fylde

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Margaret Heys 15
Elizabeth Heys 13
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Address:- Raikes (??sp) Hall

Religious House



sylvia

His Mum and dad are there


for heavens' sake Simon, are you getting so involved with this family that you can't see what you don't want to see?


William Edge 68 Lodging House Keeper
Marion Edge 65
>>>>>>Henry Hayes 53 b. ca 1798, Whittle-le-Woods, Lancashire, Visitor, Malster
Ralph Hayes 7
Margaret Hayes 5 b.ca 1846, Southport
Elizabeth Hayes 3 b.ca 1848, Southport
John Hayes 4 b.ca 1847, Southport
>>>>>>Elizabeth Hayes 32 b.ca 1819, Liverpool, Lancashire, Visitor
Margaret Parker 61
Thomas Parker 30
Ann Watson 27
Deily Walmsley 25


Margaret Parker, b. ca 1790, Hawkshead, Lancashire, Visitor
Thomas Parker, b.ca 1821, West Derby, Lancashire, Visitor
Ann Watson, b.ca 1824, Brindle, Lancashire, Visitor
Deily Walmsley, Servant



sylvia

Sylvia

What a star you are!

That must be him.

In a lodging house?

Where are his mum and dad?

I guess Margaret Parker is his grandma

Thomas Parker his mums brother??

Elizabeth Heys his dads sister?

Whittle le Woods that place always comes up.

The Heatleys and Heys are all from there originally.

Henry Heys must be an Uncle to Ralph

Is he Henry Heatley Heys I wonder.

I think this is why I am confused the name Heatley and Heys seems to be interchangeable between related families.

This looks like him in 1851 ...................... despite the spelling o his surname, everything else fits

1851 Census

Name: Ralph Hayes
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Visitor
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: North Meols
Town: Southport
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: Bickerstaffe

William Edge 68 Lodgigng House Keeper
Marion Edge 65
Henry Hayes 53 b. ca 1798, Whittle-le-Woods, Lancashire, Visitor, Malster
Ralph Hayes 7
Margaret Hayes 5
Elizabeth Hayes 3
John Hayes 4
Elizabeth Hayes 32 b.ca 1819, Liverpool, Lancashire, Visitor
Margaret Parker 61
Thomas Parker 30
Ann Watson 27
Deily Walmsley 25

Address:- No 10 Promenade



sylvia

His father appears to be George Heatley Heys and mother Mary Parker

married in Leyland, St Andrew.

Interesting very interesting.

Hi TF

He could be illegitimate anything with my famliy!

If the 1851 shows his Dad then I will order his birth cert.

I admit I have not read all the way through this thread so forgive me if it has already been suggested

Could Ralph Heatley Heys be illegitimate?

The reason I ask is because I have certificates which the middle name as been the father's when the person was born outside wedlock.

marie

I forgot about that post it was from March last year.

I must have discounted him then, but I found him yesterday whilst looking a combination of Heatley and Heys names.

John Heatley 1813 mother I believe was Mary Heys/

John Heatley's children had Heys as their middle name.

Simon - what name have you just come across in the last 24 hours?

Ralph Heatley Heys was mentioned 26 March.

Thanks Sylvia

Can you find the 1851 census?

I will buy the cert if I can be confident that there is a link to this Ormskirk family and to John Heatley 1813

Simon, if you buy the certificate as suggested you will have another lead to follow. You will have positively identified the father and so instead of searching for Ralph which is not giving the results you wish for, a search for the father could be undertaken which may or may not yield more results and help break down your brick wall.

have you checked further on ancestry?????

I searched for Ralph Heys, as heys appears to be his surname


1881 Census

Name: Ralph Healtey Heys
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: North Meols
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 63 Belmont St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Wine Merchant

Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: North Meols

Lydia Hussey 52
Elizabeth Hussey 28
Ann Hussey 26
Ralph Healtey Heys 37
Mary Heys 33



1861 Census

Name: Ralph Heys
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Deansgate

Ralph Wareing 38
Sarah Wareing 36
Anne Wareing 13
Mary Wareing 8
Ralph Wareing 5
Rosanna Murray 46
Ralph Heys 17 Apprentice Engineer




sylvia

No I only came across this name in the last 24 hours.

Is the Surname Heatley or Heys though.?

It could be the same family just switching the names round.

Ralph Heatley Heys is in a private Family Tree on ancestry


have you contacted that person?

I have not asked to find Ralph Heys Heatley before or his father.

I find new snippets all the time.

I go to Preston once a months and trawl through various records.

Many thanks for your input.

Births Mar 1844 (>99%)
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Heys Ralph Heatley Ormskirk 21 590

Who was his father?




1. BUY the birth certificate to find out


2. Go to the web site I gave you earlier, and see if the baptism is on there

www.familysearch.org/


3. Go to www.lan-opc.org.uk


4. Go to https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysearch.org/records/collection/1788853/waypoints&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%253D

and see if his baptism is in the records there





sylvia